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Q: Native English Speaker failing to get job

What prospects are there fro a native english speaker not from Australia, UK, USA, South Africa, Canada or new zealand? Do they realise there are several other countries that speak english? Especially in Africa?

23 weeks 6 hours ago in  Teaching & Learning - China

 
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No, you don't have a chance, IMO. Why?

 

Whole Working permit application was moved online i.e. no more quanxi, through an established questionnaire and if applicant doesn't hold the passport from big 5 native English speaking countries, application will be rejected. It is that simple!

 

I was sitting together with an employer in June, 2017, as novelty of the Labor law was implemented. Employer filled up online application for my employment and as soon as he entered my non-native English country of origin/passport, website went blank.

 

I agree with Sorrel above, you'll be better off applying for an English teaching job elsewhere.

 

Good luck!

 

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you will be employed if the company thinks you are cheap enough or look for work away from larger cities where people from anglophone countries are less likely to want to work.

Chinese companies (in my experience) go for the cheap option regardless of ability.

you would be better looking for work in Korea, Japan or any other country.
less hassle in the long-run.

People from most African countries are not deemed to be 'native English speakers' and may speak English with an accent that Chinese employers do not deem 'desirable'

now cue the accusations of my reply being 'racist' 

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No, you don't have a chance, IMO. Why?

 

Whole Working permit application was moved online i.e. no more quanxi, through an established questionnaire and if applicant doesn't hold the passport from big 5 native English speaking countries, application will be rejected. It is that simple!

 

I was sitting together with an employer in June, 2017, as novelty of the Labor law was implemented. Employer filled up online application for my employment and as soon as he entered my non-native English country of origin/passport, website went blank.

 

I agree with Sorrel above, you'll be better off applying for an English teaching job elsewhere.

 

Good luck!

 

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Possibly not. As long as your country is not deemed/catogrized as a  Native English speaking country. 

Or if you obtained your degree from a native country...

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How about someone that hold a UK passport but not native? 

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You can do so much better than China, don't let anyone tell you otherwise..

I worked over there off and on for 10 years, during my 13 years away from the U.S., other years were spent in different parts of Asia.

Seeing the evolution of acceptance and independence in China has been an honor, but IMO they are nowhere near being comfortable to be around for too long.

I've worked with teachers from Russia, Pakistan, the UK, the U.S. and South Africa.

Rules and regulations are changed all the time with no regard for anyone; they're making it more and more difficult/competitve for anyone to be there, much less want to work there. There are too many hoops to jump (for everyone) and then you finally get everything in order and they think they own you.

Btw, because the rules and regs do change so much, the teachers from Pakistan and Russia, who felt safe and secure in their jobs, were all let go by the end of the school year. Again, rules changed and no one cared except the folks who uprooted their lives to be there. 

The last two jobs I held in China, I left.

The 1st one, in Beijing, at a school for South Koreans only, I and several other foreign teachers resigned because a white American man was found to be gay and told he had to leave.

The 2nd one, also in Beijing, I resigned when I found the head of the foreign teachers, a Pakistani looking gay dude from the U.K. turned out to be a pedophile. The head of the Chinese department did not care-the guy had worked there for 7 years already..and is probably still there..Also, when I was there, a young black woman from the U.K., a truly beautiful soul, was always called names when out and about...how did she know? She understood/spoke/had studied Chinese for many years..

I was grateful for not understanding them and grateful to have gotten out of there intact.

Do your best to hang in there and believe that things happen for a reason..

 

 

 

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I am from Nigeria and a seasoned Teacher of English. I have a BBA and an MA in English. I also have a TEFL certificate from World TESOL Academy. Even with all these, I have not gotten a single yes to my over 200 online applications for a teaching Job in China, Japan and Malaysia in the past one month. It is as depressing as it is disappointing. They keep saying you must be a native speaker. For God's sake, is English all about accent? So if I just go rambling in a native tongue and the student does not get a grasp of the grammar of the language, does that make any damn sense? I'm so damn pissed!

Whoever knows anyone who is in need of a qualified teacher and who is not a native-speaker crazy, please , contact me ...

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Strange: I am from Israel, and I was working in Patison before (10 years ago, though), just your payment will be quite less (ok, not 100/hr but 80/hr).

This, as long as you maintain native English accent (I was in England and USA long time as a kid...) and have at least some kind of degree (or very high matriculation exam skill, >90 in highest level like I have) then it should still not be a problem.

Just let you know, teaching English for kids is much different, and mainly 80% of the time is not really teaching, but maintaining the class flow (the kids to sit and not talk with each other). The younger the kids, the more difficult is to maintain it (I did it for 5th grade and was ok, though). 

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