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Years old topics being dug up for no reason, stupid visa questions/horror stories with all the good keywords being posted by unknown profiles... the usual pattern, only this time a bit of effort is spent in storytelling.

A bit.

Oh well, we still say CFTU but actually his thing now is more "internships" since his "teachers union" hoax is so busted he is banned on sight on most major expat websites... I mean those with have active admins *cough cough*.

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OK so guess what, remember the link to Global Times our dear Steven is apparently so fond of posting around for no apparent reason?

That one: http://onestop.globaltimes.cn/whats-it-like-to-be-deported-from-china/

Don't get fooled, it's from a Q&A section just like here: it's not the front page, it's no official news, it's not vetted, it could have been posted by anyone and so are the comments.

It's the exact same old SEO technique they've been using from the beginning: post random stories on renamed sites trying to improve their reputation and look legit.

As a reminder of what Steven98, Zethe and probably a bunch of others are about: answers.echinacities.com/question/my-research-and-conclusions-about-cftuscam-buster-scam?type=alatest

Don't waste your time with them.

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I mean come on,

http://answers.echinacities.com/question/boss-terminating-contract-refus...

http://answers.echinacities.com/question/ordered-leave-china?type=alates...

writing is a bit less lazy than before and he actually gives closure to the stories, but with the rash of visa/work related questions of these days including the usual random dig up, don't you get at least a bit suspicious? They don't even ask real questions, and people usually don't just pop out to relate their experience for nothing, sorry I think it would be great too but reality doesn't work this way. I'm not saying it would never happen but seriously what are the odds.

Until now I've been right in most of what I said, so now I'm declaring this:

- These accounts will either keep posting and eventually make themselves obvious OR they'll disappear. Time and cost.

- You'll see links to these posts magically appear to validate CFTU / China Scam Watch bogeyman stories.

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icnif77:

I can't tell, if Q is fictitious or OP is in real trouble, so I give an advice how to handle the matter.

Nei Mongol SAFEA's address and contact no. aren't listed on our link, what made me think a bit about the Q.

You might be right, but still Q and As could serve as an advice to other FTs (1300 hits) working in China.

5 years 36 weeks ago

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I definitely got lucky with help from redditors and here...and some potential employers willing to help me call SAFEA (repeatedly).
I even had to have my boss sign and stamp an agreement that she will give the papers she is supposed to give ANYWAY on contract termination...on video.

Hopefully this will all be over soon, I just want to go to a more reputable school in Shanghai, it's a Canadian business named Panda Education. Heard of them?

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It looks 'boss terminated contract...' was BS!

I asked OP for Nei Mongol SAFEA's phone number, he got an answer from.

No reply/no ph. number.

I just want to update SAFEA's address&contact no. thread, where Nei Mongol address and contact no. aren't listed.

5 years 36 weeks ago

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these don't work?

check the post, I gave the numbers and email.

the woman's name was Chloe Peng Cheng

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Why is it every time I see the capital letters CFTU, my mind wants to convert it to STFU. Coincidence ?! I think not.

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Honestly, him being back and me being back in China for a bit are just a coincidence!

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I know who you guys are talking about and no sorry to disapoint but I'm not him. THANK GOD. If i was wouldnt i have spammed all those websites and posted those cheesy photos?

i didnt know how to word my question, i wanted some tips and advice, as well as asking what you guys thought of the Globaltimes who posted that article. If you guys know anything that could help please feel free to say

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Is the CTFU good or bad? I keep seeing mixed messages on the internet about it, but I can't even find contact info to these people.

I'm new to working in China, and I just barely got my boss to give a proper release letter and let us end the contract peacefully (after she broke it multiple times) through SAFEA's help (and other potential employers asking on my behalf.)
I would be useful to know if this CTFU is actually helpful to FT's or not.

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So you're that freak Bruce Gorcyca who calls himself "The Leader" and rants about how recruiters want to kill him because they are so afraid of the fake CFTU?

Go to hell you con man, you deliver no value to the world.

5 years 36 weeks ago

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well..I don't know about all of that.

I'm assuming CTFU is not to be trusted by all of these posts, and I'll just steer clear of them...

5 years 35 weeks ago

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I personally think that three users here at ECC have a personal grudge against the CFTU since they are the 3 that constantly want to trash and bash it, yet never have any proof of their allegations. Maybe they these 3 people are shady China job agents that were outed and blacklisted by the CFTU - I cannot be sure. But I do find this article here to be interesting http://www.eslbase.com/forum/viewtopic/did-you-notice-the-fake-teachers-posting-on-esl-tefl-forums/

Secondly, I do not see anywhere on the CFTU website that anything is being sold and nobody is asking for money - so how can there be a scam with no money involved, and what exactly is "the passive income stream" the OP alleges??? What proof do you have or is this just your guess? The membership is free and from what I know, always has been free.

Since we are not allowed to mention names on line here I will only say that I know two people involved in the CFTU and one is a former director "J" who worked for EF for three years and is now doing private tutoring. He invited me and my partner to the CFTU Christmas party in 2014. We both had a good time at Frank's place in Lido and there were about 120 people there.- Mostly foreigners but a dew Chinese girlfriends. The only downside to the party was some annoying girl who kept trying to corner us and tried to talk about how she "found Jesus", but that was not a CFTU thing - just her own personal passion.

The group has five directors and I met three of them (Tina from the UK, Gregg from America, and Denise from Australia. The 2 I didn't meet were back in America for the holidays)

I also found all these links online recently and it all looks legit to me.

http://www.cityweekend.com.cn/beijing/events/activities/cftu-sponsors-cross-cultural-training-seminar-for-new-china-foreign-expat-teachers/

http://www.thebeijinger.com/events/2014/may/cftu-cross-cultural-training-seminar-new-expat-foreign-teachers-free

http://www.eslbase.com/forum/viewtopic/china-school-agent-blacklists/

http://www.bjstuff.com/profiles/blogs/cftu-advises-how-to-break-your-contract-resign-from-a-bad-or

http://www.chinaforeignteachersunion.org/2012/12/china-foreign-teachers-union-posts-esl.html

http://www.esl-jobs-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=6828

http://eslwatch.info/china-2/news-98/603-china-newsflash/12418-do-you-know-your-employee-rights-as-a-china-foreign-esl,-tefl,-or-ap-teacher.html

http://www.bjstuff.com/profiles/blogs/cftu-dyi-guide-how-to-check-out-a-china-foreign-teacher-job-1

http://www.expat-blog.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=437213

http://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forums/china-employment-contracts-for-expats-is-a-sneaky-shell-game-scam-watch-out-foreign-teachers

http://www.esl-jobs-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=6322

http://www.bjstuff.com/forum/topics/15-free-anti-scam-weapons-for-expat-china-foreign-teachers-from

http://www.bjstuff.com/profiles/blogs/your-help-needed-to-update-the-2015-cftu-china-esl-tefl-school

http://www.cityweekend.com.cn/beijing/events/activities/china-foreign-teachers-union-freebie-fun-day/

http://www.cityweekend.com.cn/beijing/events/cftu-webinar-china-contracts-and-labor-law-for-foreign-teachers-expat-employees/

http://www.eslbase.com/forum/viewtopic/t-3178

http://eslwatch.info/forum/china/93-what-is-the-best-free-way-to-find-decent-and-safe-jobs-in-china-as-a-foreign-teacher.html

http://www.thebeijinger.com/forum/2014/02/07/free-legal-guide-english-china-expat-foreign-teachers

http://www.chinaforeignteachersunion.com/2015/01/free-cftu-guidebook-china-labor.html

http://www.bjstuff.com/profiles/blogs/cftu-advises-how-to-break-your-contract-resign-from-a-bad-or

http://www.cityweekend.com.cn/beijing/blog/scam-alert-foreign-teacher-fraud/

I am also confused as to how the CFTU group could be part of any government when all the members are expats? What would the government connection be and for what reason? Like I said before, I think there are just a couple of people here at ECC with an ax to grind. I personally got a lot of free and useful information from the CFTU and although I will never join up with any organization in China because of what happened to the old China Teachers Alliance (the leaders all had their visa applications rejected after they criticized the teaching standards in China), I give the CFTU my moral support, even though all the unlicensed recruiters and job agents probably hate them - and understandably so.

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I personally think that three users here at ECC have a personal grudge against the CFTU since they are the 3 that constantly want to trash and bash it, yet never have any proof of their allegations. Maybe they these 3 people are shady China job agents that were outed and blacklisted by the CFTU - I cannot be sure. But I do find this article here to be interesting http://www.eslbase.com/forum/viewtopic/did-you-notice-the-fake-teachers-posting-on-esl-tefl-forums/ Secondly, I do not see anywhere on the CFTU website that anything is being sold and nobody is asking for money - so how can there be a scam with no money involved, and what exactly is "the passive income stream" the OP alleges???  What proof do you have or is this just your guess? The membership is free and from what I know, always has been free. Since we are not allowed to mention names on line here I will only say that I know two people involved in the CFTU and one is a former director "J" who worked for EF for three years and is now doing private tutoring. He invited me and my partner to the CFTU Christmas party in 2014. We both had a good time at Frank\'s place in Lido and there were about 120 people there.- Mostly foreigners but a dew Chinese girlfriends.  The only downside to the party was some annoying girl who kept trying to corner us and tried to talk about how she "found Jesus", but that was not a CFTU thing - just her own personal passion. The group has five directors and I met three of them (Tina from the UK, Gregg from America, and Denise from Australia. The 2 I didn\'t meet were back in America for the holidays)  I also found all these links online recently and it all looks legit to me. http://www.cityweekend.com.cn/beijing/events/activities/cftu-sponsors-cross-cultural-training-seminar-for-new-china-foreign-expat-teachers/http://www.thebeijinger.com/events/2014/may/cftu-cross-cultural-training-seminar-new-expat-foreign-teachers-free http://www.eslbase.com/forum/viewtopic/china-school-agent-blacklists/ http://www.bjstuff.com/profiles/blogs/cftu-advises-how-to-break-your-contract-resign-from-a-bad-or http://www.chinaforeignteachersunion.org/2012/12/china-foreign-teachers-union-posts-esl.html http://www.esl-jobs-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=6828 http://eslwatch.info/china-2/news-98/603-china-newsflash/12418-do-you-know-your-employee-rights-as-a-china-foreign-esl,-tefl,-or-ap-teacher.html http://www.bjstuff.com/profiles/blogs/cftu-dyi-guide-how-to-check-out-a-china-foreign-teacher-job-1http://www.expat-blog.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=437213 http://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forums/china-employment-contracts-for-expats-is-a-sneaky-shell-game-scam-watch-out-foreign-teachers http://www.esl-jobs-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=6322 http://www.bjstuff.com/forum/topics/15-free-anti-scam-weapons-for-expat-china-foreign-teachers-from http://www.bjstuff.com/profiles/blogs/your-help-needed-to-update-the-2015-cftu-china-esl-tefl-schoolhttp://www.cityweekend.com.cn/beijing/events/activities/china-foreign-teachers-union-freebie-fun-day/ http://www.cityweekend.com.cn/beijing/events/cftu-webinar-china-contracts-and-labor-law-for-foreign-teachers-expat-employees/ http://www.eslbase.com/forum/viewtopic/t-3178 http://eslwatch.info/forum/china/93-what-is-the-best-free-way-to-find-decent-and-safe-jobs-in-china-as-a-foreign-teacher.htmlhttp://www.thebeijinger.com/forum/2014/02/07/free-legal-guide-english-china-expat-foreign-teachers http://www.chinaforeignteachersunion.com/2015/01/free-cftu-guidebook-china-labor.html    http://www.bjstuff.com/profiles/blogs/cftu-advises-how-to-break-your-contract-resign-from-a-bad-orhttp://www.cityweekend.com.cn/beijing/blog/scam-alert-foreign-teacher-fraud/ I am also confused as to how the CFTU group could be part of any government when all the members are expats?  What would the government connection be and for what reason?  Like I said before, I think there are just a couple of people here at ECC with an ax to grind. I personally got a lot of free and useful information from the CFTU and although I will never join up with any organization in China because of what happened to the old China Teachers Alliance (the leaders all had their visa applications rejected after they criticized the teaching standards in China), I give the CFTU my moral support, even though all the unlicensed recruiters and job agents probably hate them - and understandably so.

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I can tell you CFTU is nothing but one person posting crap online linking them together using multiple ID's, VPN, tunnels etc

More information here

http://www.thebeijinger.com/forum/2015/04/20/warning-scam-blackmailing-cyberterrorism-cftu-anthony-bruce-dimarco-aka-dicarlo

If anyone is a "convicted felon" it's him.

Your best bet would be to go to the PSB or SAFEA. As long as you have got a release letter (RL) that gets submitted with your new companys documents to transfer your permit over.

Worst-case scenario you need to leave china for a short time and start from scratch.

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Quite frankly Riririri you're entitled to your own opinion but because someone types LIKE someone does not mean they're that guy
Honesty I'm here posting for some.question I don't care what or who you think I am.mind your own business.

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Hey Zethe asked if they're good or bad. Does it mean he's CFTU using another ID? (Sarcasm)

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OK so guess what, remember the link to Global Times our dear Steven is apparently so fond of posting around for no apparent reason?

That one: http://onestop.globaltimes.cn/whats-it-like-to-be-deported-from-china/

Don't get fooled, it's from a Q&A section just like here: it's not the front page, it's no official news, it's not vetted, it could have been posted by anyone and so are the comments.

It's the exact same old SEO technique they've been using from the beginning: post random stories on renamed sites trying to improve their reputation and look legit.

As a reminder of what Steven98, Zethe and probably a bunch of others are about: answers.echinacities.com/question/my-research-and-conclusions-about-cftuscam-buster-scam?type=alatest

Don't waste your time with them.

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am i ever going to see your face again (the Angels )

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The one about the school seems plausible. But clearly the CFTU guy is back with a different type of scam. I think he finally gave up the CFTU scam. Only the future can tell.

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CFTU guy is such a freak. Bruce Gorcyca. Calls himself "The Leader" and rants about all the recruiters want him dead because they fear the obviously fake CFTU so much.

I dont know how that guy can look in the mirror. He's such a joke. Must think he's a victim some how and that scamming people is making the world even.

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Expatlife26 I reckon you know that i'm not this CFTU guy, especially all the postings you made as BoogerBlasterCFTU on another site. with your crazy UN stories.

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