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Q: Power Hungry on a 30 day visa

A certain guy killing this forum,cutting you off mid discussion,unless you agree with his world of reality.Two guesses for the power hungry Ex free thinking person?

 Answers on a postcard please,answers will be made to comply.

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I've seen many posts before they were removed. There's ONE thing in common... abuse. (I'm obviously not talking about the spams and double/triple posts).

 

The reasons they were removed were fairly obvious - personal attacks, or extreme foul language.

 

Two stick in my mind as good counter- examples of your argument. Only a few days ago, Wolf posted something which included some expletives (maybe a personal attack), It was removed. He then reposted without the expletives... it stays.

 

JonathonSteele posted some typical vitriolic. One was deleted. Shortly after, he re-posted on the same thread, with the same basic message, sans offensive language. It stays.

 

 

It is not about "is world of reality". It's about basic levels of respect, and what will and will not be tolerated on this forum.

 

You can have whatever opinion you want. But you do need to present it in a certain way.

 

So, yes, if you write an awesome long answer which solves all of the world's problems - but it includes personal abusive attacks (eg, calling someone or their mother a 'whore'), then it's going to get removed.

 

As I wrote last night - if you don't like it, leave. Go find another forum where they accept it. ECC is not the only forum in the world, and you are not beholden to it. I've been on a number of forums, and they all have the same basic T&C, and have all been enforced the same way (except, some do individual <mod edits> on the post. NONE of the forums I go to allow for personal attacks using abusive language! This one has been one of the more lenient.

iWolf:

As I wrote last night - if you don't like it, leave.

 

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

 

Of all the Chinaesqe forums this is the most tame that I have seen.

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Shining_brow:

Given the recent moderation, it doesn't look like I'll be the one leaving....

 

Given the T&Cs - it's very clearly stated what's acceptable and what's not - and personal attacks and profanity are not.

 

Yes, this does seem to be the most tame... are you suggesting it's a bad thing? Given that there are such forums that seem to welcome the sort of stuff that some posters are (apparently) wanting, I don't see why ECC should have to devolve just to suit them, when there are so many other forums they could go to instead.

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iWolf - were you actually angered or felt 'butthurt' when your post was harmonised, and you reposted without the "explicitness"? Do you feel that it was a really bad move by the mods? Was there something inherently unfair about it?

 

I'm sort of seeing this whole moderation argument (as far as profanity & attacks) as similar to the smoking argument. Smokers want to smoke wherever they want, and feel butthurt when told they actually have to respect the wishes of restaurant patrons, etc. who don't want to have to put up with that to enjoy a good meal. Leave the smoking outside...  if smoking in restaurants is so damn important, go to a restaurant that is ok with it!

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philbravery:

After briefly reading your family biography on another thread i have two thoughts that immediately come to mind firstly a condom could have solved everything . secondly im not a lawyer however you may have a good case for a refund on your degree /::D even at Macdonalds uni og hamburgeroligy

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iWolf:

Shining, can I have a large fries with the all the bollocks you've posted today, please? Better give me a large coke too....to wash down those turgid piles.

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Shining_brow:

Wow!

 

Wolfie - I expect crap from Phil - intelligence and good rational thought and debate seem beyond him.. After all, dropping an insult is so much less taxing on the brain than actually dissecting an argument and defending a position.. but I expected better from you.

 

If there's something in particular I wrote that you disagree with, please share. Otherwise, you're just looking like a... nong! And no better than the wumaos on GlobalTimes.

 

So, if you actually have a point to make - make it!

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philbravery:

i thought my response was appropriate given you level of intelligence you have displayed . so do you still have the graduation wigg or are you a natural red head ? If I get banned so should you . its just I don't ..........."Insert imagination here"

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Hotwater:

Get a room please! wink

 

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http://www.echinacities.com/news/McDonalds-to-Sell-All-Stores-in-Hong-Kong-and-China something for you to look forward too.

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I am thinking, you could send an email to General Assembly for visa extension:

 

http://www.un.org/en/ga/

 

Revitalization of the work of the General Assembly

The General Assembly, comprised of all 193 Members of the United Nations, provides a unique forum for multilateral discussion of the full spectrum of international issues covered by the Charter.

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I think it's laughable that a "user" can post a attack on another in a supposed Drunken Stooper and then be given God powers a week or two later .
no names were mentioned so draw your own conclusions

icnif77:

We should change posting rules: 'every i-phone user (especially iWolf) should get pints deduction -fine for double posts.'surprise

 

When double post would occur second time, poster should be forced to switch to cheap Nokia.angel

Scottish is on the ball.....O2

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iWolf:

This sucker doesn't have an iphone. Chinese android all the way baby The proof is in the pudding.

 

I'm simply not sophisticated enough for such a fine hand chicken

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Sorry ai, I am not into the phones, but doubles never happened to me by posting from the puter.

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I've seen many posts before they were removed. There's ONE thing in common... abuse. (I'm obviously not talking about the spams and double/triple posts).

 

The reasons they were removed were fairly obvious - personal attacks, or extreme foul language.

 

Two stick in my mind as good counter- examples of your argument. Only a few days ago, Wolf posted something which included some expletives (maybe a personal attack), It was removed. He then reposted without the expletives... it stays.

 

JonathonSteele posted some typical vitriolic. One was deleted. Shortly after, he re-posted on the same thread, with the same basic message, sans offensive language. It stays.

 

 

It is not about "is world of reality". It's about basic levels of respect, and what will and will not be tolerated on this forum.

 

You can have whatever opinion you want. But you do need to present it in a certain way.

 

So, yes, if you write an awesome long answer which solves all of the world's problems - but it includes personal abusive attacks (eg, calling someone or their mother a 'whore'), then it's going to get removed.

 

As I wrote last night - if you don't like it, leave. Go find another forum where they accept it. ECC is not the only forum in the world, and you are not beholden to it. I've been on a number of forums, and they all have the same basic T&C, and have all been enforced the same way (except, some do individual <mod edits> on the post. NONE of the forums I go to allow for personal attacks using abusive language! This one has been one of the more lenient.

iWolf:

As I wrote last night - if you don't like it, leave.

 

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

 

Of all the Chinaesqe forums this is the most tame that I have seen.

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Shining_brow:

Given the recent moderation, it doesn't look like I'll be the one leaving....

 

Given the T&Cs - it's very clearly stated what's acceptable and what's not - and personal attacks and profanity are not.

 

Yes, this does seem to be the most tame... are you suggesting it's a bad thing? Given that there are such forums that seem to welcome the sort of stuff that some posters are (apparently) wanting, I don't see why ECC should have to devolve just to suit them, when there are so many other forums they could go to instead.

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iWolf - were you actually angered or felt 'butthurt' when your post was harmonised, and you reposted without the "explicitness"? Do you feel that it was a really bad move by the mods? Was there something inherently unfair about it?

 

I'm sort of seeing this whole moderation argument (as far as profanity & attacks) as similar to the smoking argument. Smokers want to smoke wherever they want, and feel butthurt when told they actually have to respect the wishes of restaurant patrons, etc. who don't want to have to put up with that to enjoy a good meal. Leave the smoking outside...  if smoking in restaurants is so damn important, go to a restaurant that is ok with it!

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philbravery:

After briefly reading your family biography on another thread i have two thoughts that immediately come to mind firstly a condom could have solved everything . secondly im not a lawyer however you may have a good case for a refund on your degree /::D even at Macdonalds uni og hamburgeroligy

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iWolf:

Shining, can I have a large fries with the all the bollocks you've posted today, please? Better give me a large coke too....to wash down those turgid piles.

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Shining_brow:

Wow!

 

Wolfie - I expect crap from Phil - intelligence and good rational thought and debate seem beyond him.. After all, dropping an insult is so much less taxing on the brain than actually dissecting an argument and defending a position.. but I expected better from you.

 

If there's something in particular I wrote that you disagree with, please share. Otherwise, you're just looking like a... nong! And no better than the wumaos on GlobalTimes.

 

So, if you actually have a point to make - make it!

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philbravery:

i thought my response was appropriate given you level of intelligence you have displayed . so do you still have the graduation wigg or are you a natural red head ? If I get banned so should you . its just I don't ..........."Insert imagination here"

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Hotwater:

Get a room please! wink

 

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philbravery:

http://www.echinacities.com/news/McDonalds-to-Sell-All-Stores-in-Hong-Kong-and-China something for you to look forward too.

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@paulmartin

Where have you "been cut off mid discussion"?

 

Did you get a post or reply harmonised?

 

I guess you're referring to the Nong topic where you put your views forward and others replied. 

 

http://answers.echinacities.com/question/should-word-nog-be-banned-ecc?t...

 

You got to have your say on that discussion. From what I can see ScotsAlan posted that as an open question. He doesn't like the term Nong. Others have freely given their views on why words shouldn't be banned. From my reading of the moderation debates it's clear that the mods (Scots & the invisible one) have to put their decisions on harmonizing posts through someone at ECC. Unless it's tidying up double posts. He even said discussions were had on spam posts as some were borderline decisions. 

 

So please, pray tell, point out where Scots is killing these forums? The current bickering and baiting of him is the thing in my view that is having a negative effect. He made a mistake coming out in public. If he hadn't done then all this animosity against moderation would have died down now. 

 

iWolf:

Scotts deserves an Atta boy for coming out. AnonMod not so much.

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Hotwater:

As I said he made a mistake coming out. 

 

When are you going to get a better phone to stop your double and triple posting? smiley

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iWolf:

I disagree, good on him for being out there. Even if I sometimes don't agree with him, having the nads to out himself deserves a nod.

I want to update. There are several issues that piss me off with this Chinese Gem but the missus is adamant that no change is necessary at this time.

 

I disagree and want to keep the peace as much as possible. If the wife is happy the n my is easier.

 

Also, I'm keeping Scotts in a jobwink

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Hotwater:

Well it does look like Scits or the invisible mod work up after I'd replied! wink

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Shining_brow:

I disagree with any other mods coming out, just based on what I've seen happen with Scots.

 

I would imagine that there might be only 2 mods that everyone might be happy with (and, even then, I could probably name posters who would still disagree).

 

Sorrel is the obvious one - although she seems to be here less often. (Vicky might not like it :p). She is also an advocate of anything goes. let the board decide. This doesn't seem to be the wishes of the ECC owners/Grumpy. (no, I'm not suggesting she'd be 'wrong' - only 'different').

 

The other would be HappyExpat - who is here even less often. I don't ever recall Happy getting into the sort of spats that are currently going on (including me and mine!) And I also never recall him resorting to insult and swearing.

 

But... even before knowing who the mod/s were, Phil went on the warpath. If there are others, and they outed themselves, I'm not seeing much good come from it. If Sorrel was a mod (she's said she's not), then there'd be very little difference to the current state of the forum - EXCEPT a lot more angsty, profane posts would remain (she says they should all stay)... which just happens to be the thing that some people complained about - that such posts were allowed to remain, and the mods weren't doing their 'job'.

 

 

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ScotsAlan:

@iwolf. The big thing for me is honesty. I don't like secrets. I felt uncomfortable being hidden. I believe in being open. It's one of my many strange political beliefs, and if I were hidden I would be betraying my own politics.

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philbravery:

Then why PM me to ell m you were a mod when you first started ?

Did you think I would get on my knees ?

if you want to be a moderator thats your problem .

just stop parading around like a peacock  looking for approval and accilades as you have in the last couple of days .

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@Paul Martin. Just saw your post about being blocked as we were debating on the N#ong thread. That was nowt to do with me. I lost access to ecc about the same time. Seems to be a regular thing for me to be " Blocked" for at the same time. Sometimes for a few minutes, sometimes an hour.

To be honest, I thought it was some glitch in the system. But interesting that it happened to us both at the same time.

Does anyone else experience this. Sorrel was online about then too I think. Wonder if she lost ECC as well?

I will let Grumpy Cat know.

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I completely disagree with his behavior but he has somewhat of a point. Jonathansteel is an obvious troll used to try and make us look racist. He posts seriously offensive stuff but I always say his posts which means they don't get deleted but posts which are borderline get deleted by others? 

Clearly something is up with this site but we stay or leave, we shouldn't act out.

Hotwater:

The last blatant post by johnothon on the Nong topic was deleted, though it took sometime. But the mods work so can't be online all the time. 

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Englteachted:

It must have been deleted after I posted this.

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Englteachted:

Just checked, still there.(Unless there was another one)

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Hotwater:

There was one on this topic that used almost ever expletive he could think of. Post a link to the other please and I'll pm Scots. 

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Englteachted:

I don't want to report him, his post is actual on scots post about nong.

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ScotsAlan:

I know grumpy is not on ECC as often as me at times, so yup, if you see something you don't like, send me a pm. If it is beyond my remit, I can contact Grumpy directly.

 

I do know Grumpy is traveling this weekend, and I have notified him about Paul Martins worries. I am awaiting feedback. I will push him on it when office hours resume. He is entitled to holiday after all, and PaulMartins worries are beyond what I have access to.

 

Hope to feed back soon. 

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