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Q: What is ruining China you think?
the very high % of foriegners as compared to Chinese 
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http://www.businessinsider.com/the-global-economy-is-running-on-fumes-20...
Not being able to find a solution on the spot for small problems, but they rather call someone else to plug the fan back in because they thought it was broken. This is a real problem.
A lack of courage and athleticism I think is holding china back. No hustle and heart. If people here were more athletic they would have more energy but instead they sleep and nap all the time like small children. Take little responsibility for things.
For this reason we have a popular expression in the west "There is no chinese adult, only an old chinese child"
Sports can teach us about the higher values, In it the noblest virtues of mankind are developed; courage, faithfulness to duty, and a spirit of sacrifice: the sports player gives his life. Without sports the world would stagnate, and lose itself in materialism.
expatlife26:
For me, a local person will say "I am good at spreadsheets" to which I reply "I am good at spreadsheets too, and also good at sports" and to that they have no reply.
My moral character wins out via my superior athletic ability
jetfire9000:
But how will you respond when you get invited or challenged to a game of B-ball?
expatlife26:
I actually played bball competitively when I was younger.
But in truth the battle is already won because I have the will and courage of a sports player and they don't. If they want a rematch, then I've won that round too.
It is not possible to win without courage
I suppose if you ask that question then you also need to think about what makes a country good or bad. What is China losing that it had before, making it a worse place to live?
A lot of people talk about how society here has degenerated over the last generation or so to the point where there are little or no morals, just greed, selfishness, materialism, dishonesty and seething resentment.
Some would say that plays a big part in ruining China.
WhyHowWhen raised a pretty good point above though. China has seen remarkable growth and development in the last 3 decades. You can't deny a lot of people have been lifted out of extreme poverty.
If you choose to measure the quality of the country by how much money is in the bank then you could say China has improved.
It comes down to what your values are.
I personally think that while it's great that China has made a lot of money, I'd have to ask at what cost? The air, water and soil are toxic now and it's becoming a major problem.
I'm reminded of the people you see in the news sometimes who sell a kidney to buy the latest apple products. A nice phone will be fun to play with when you're sick in bed all the time because you sacrificed your body for money.
Also, is that hard won progress being used to further improve the prospects of the people?
From what I see, rather than continuing to open up and move forward through innovation, China is choosing to close the doors again and stifle progress, and the old way of making money isn't much of an option anymore.
If China is being ruined, that is how IMO.
philbravery:
its like they opened the door took what they wanted now what to close the door again . like the world is just a cupboard
WhyHowWhen:
@Stiggs, you have put two sides very nicely. I think its like seeing the glass half full or half empty. I mean overall growth and dev., and money is one part only. In most aspects, their lifestyle, education, security, health, opportunities, availability of facilities and infrastructure is much better now when compared with the past. I believe one whole generation has done great with their hard work. The onus is on the present young generation to carry forward.
The Chinese "can't do" attitude.
I can't do this...it's too difficult.
I can't do this...because I haven't been told to do this.
I can't do this..I'm tired.
Racism...lack of accountability, worshipping white skin
the most popular answer to any good question in China is ...."I dont know"
people don't seem to practice the Golden Rule
(treat others how you wish to be treated)
Incompetence, lack of responsibility, materialism & corruption.
Shining_brow:
Seriously??
Let's be honest - the ALP, LNP, the Greens and Dems do not have these characteristics. Trash talk is never a good feature in politics.
You may disagree with their philosophy and ideology, but I still think the democratic system in Australia (especially the levels of transparency and accountability) is clearly one of the best on the planet (which is backed up elsewhere on the internet). Given this, it would be fair to say that the major parties in Australia (except maybe One Nation), which have LOTS of people in them, with LOTS of very capable people, aren't that bad.
Sometimes Labour gets it right, sometimes the Libs... often the Dems but no-one listens.
And, these facts make Australia a great place to live! Not just one single political party.
iWolf:
I still think the democratic system in Australia (especially the levels of transparency and accountability) is clearly one of the best on the planet
Huh??? About to vote for the 6th prime minister in 6 years....isn't that the definition of a banana republic?
Shining_brow:
"Huh??? About to vote for the 6th prime minister in 6 years....isn't that the definition of a banana republic?"
From Wiki: "
Banana republic or banana state is a pejorative political science term for politically unstable countries in Latin America whose economies are largely dependent on exporting a limited-resource product, e.g. bananas. It typically has stratified social classes, including a large, impoverished working class and a ruling plutocracy of business, political, and military elites.[1] This politico-economic oligarchy controls the primary-sector productions to exploit the country's economy.
In political science, the term banana republic is a pejorative descriptor for a servile dictatorship that abets or supports, for kickbacks, the exploitation of large-scale plantation agriculture, especially banana cultivation.[2] In economics, a banana republic is a country operated as a commercial enterprise for private profit, effected by a collusion between the State and favoured monopolies, in which the profit derived from the private exploitation of public lands is private property, while the debts incurred thereby are a public responsibility. Such an imbalanced economy remains limited by the uneven economic development of town and country, and tends to cause the national currency to become devalued paper-money, rendering the country ineligible for international-development credit.[11]"
So - nope, not even close!
What it does mean is - we vote for a party, not a person (like in the US).
This says we're ranked 9th in the world (2015 - so will include most of those PM's!)
: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index#Democracy_index_by_country_.282015.29
Ok - 9th.. nor the best... but far from the worst, and hence why I say "one of the best".
Our political system isn't perfect (name one that is!), but it's definitely a hell of a lot better than many other countries in the world.
If you want to argue the point, go right ahead! But I know there are other Aussies on here who will take issue with you!
iWolf:
Banana republic or banana state is a pejorative political science term for politically unstable countries
lol....changing leaders like underpants. Yes it is an outstanding example of democracy. The daily news reporting of the australian political fiasco would be comical if it wasn't so disturbing. It should be a sitcom.
The fact is that australian politics is considered a joke internationally and that shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone.
And thanks for the wiki link, although I do know what a banana republic is, I was taking the piss to make a point. But you missed the satire because you are too deeply ensconced in parochial Oi Oi Oi-ness.
Shining_brow:
So, I provide evidence that says the Australian democracy is considered one of the best in the world, and you think I'm just being parochial?
Australia is not even remotely close to being 'politically unstable'. The country does not ebb and flow merely by who is the PM (obviously). We have a party system - and that system has remained intact for generations. There has been one AND ONLY ONE occasion when Australia (since federation) could (loosely) have been considered 'unstable' - when Gough was kicked out.
People aren't dying. There aren't mass protests on the streets. There's no serious violence due to politial leanings. And there certainly isn't even grumblings about areas of our land looking to go independant (unlike Quebec, or Scotland, or Texas, or in some other Euorpean nations). Having a high turnover of PM's doesn't help - but it's not a serious detriment either. Thngs don't drastically change overnight just because of a leadership challenge.
The facts are - Australia (and many other countries) are politically and economically stable - and that is not likely to change any time soon. Regardless of PM.
royceH:
Australis is strong and the political system is too.
But I do wonder how much better things would be if there were two tiers instead of three.
Free tip... Get on the Liberal Party into Sydney Swans double.
philbravery:
Lets see we sell off our land we only have 14% of the population paying tax through working the education system is falling down the scale of the world's standard.we pay more for things than other countries . we don't make anything of any standing . retired older Australians live worse off than the prison population . We pay protection money to countries . we import produce instead of using local suppliers.we borrow millions of $ to keep the country going . yep rose coloured glasses all round .
nzteacher80:
It's because all Australians are descended from criminals. Australian politics is always a giant bun-fight because you buggers are the spawn of unwashed English and Irish thieves and murderers.
royceH:
Yes, do away with state governments. Local government into federal government and the country operates as one, local flavour notwithstanding.
Too much bureaucracy bleeding duplication and funds. Probably a hundred thousand government employees who aren't with me on this one though...
Fukem, robots'll rule before too much longer anyway.
philbravery:
Hey Burger Boy tou haven't responded to the other debate or do you concede?
Shining_brow:
"Hey Burger Boy tou haven't responded to the other debate or do you concede?"
You mock someone for getting an education*, and call them 'Burger Boy" - and then you wonder why they ignore you (if we had an 'ignore' function, you'd be on it!)... Oh, I know - you're next primary school insult will be 'sook', etc etc.
EVERY poster who's been on here for more than a couple of weeks knows I like good, intelligent debate, with intelligent, thoughtful people, using well-reasoned, evidenced-based arguments. They also know I don't bother putting up with BS.
* - speaking of which - tell us all Phil.. this 'Macca's' Degree I've got - what is it exactly? And the "university of hamburgerology' - what's its real name/s?? Oh, wait. You have NFI!!! You know virtually nothing about me - and yet you decided to mock and insult my education... purely because I got one and (I presume) you didn't! Ironic that now you're posting about how Australia's education standards have been dropping....
iWolf:
It's a little unfair you make condescending comments to Phil simply because you got a large fries with your degree. Yes, you like to believe that you like intelligent debate but your arguments are cherry picked, ilconcieved, Koshie-esque babbles which sound authoritive at first but don't hold much water on closer inspection. I'm assuming you graduated Big Mac Cum Laude. Don't forget the toy with my Happy Meal next time please.
The reliance on various traditions & customs which don't relate or make sense to the present day. (not dissing all of it, but some are no longer needed)
The inability to engage in a conversation or dialog without getting 'hurt feelings' AND much of the time not even bothering to engage in a conversation when asked questions.
Retardation on a massive scale. Won't matter though as in order to save face with the people they'll continue to aid and abet it.
I've never met a Chinese person who could hold a conversation beyond grade two level. They don't know and they don't care.
Now that is a loaded question. I agree with most of the postings here. All contribute to China's issues. Most of which that were mentioned are only issues with western thinking people. The Chinese accept these things as the norm. I am saddened by the loss of many of their traditions and culture. So much is changing for western traditions or being discarded in favor of following President's Xi campaign against corruption in government. It is hard to find those old traditional dances and parades, such as the Dragon Dance. I would love to see "traditional" China. But, that is fast becoming a distant memory in favor of growth and development. For example, i live in Zhangjiagang, Jiangsu Province. It is a relatively new city built from various farm lands in the area. There is no traditions here. In fact, I often say that Zhangjiagang has an identty crisis. It does not know what it wants to be, It is trying hard to be a western city and failing. And, whatever Chinese elements they put into place, just does not fit in with the society here.
