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Q: Why do Chinese think China is so dangerous?

Had invitations turned down SO many times, because girls (mostly) think it's unsafe to go outside their homes after 9:00. Is this really founded? I would venture to say that their country is probably safer than ours late at night. I would also venture to say your more likely to get hurt in broad daylight by unmonitored traffic then you are by bad guys late at night. I don't have any statistics to back this, but for years in china, I've walked the darkest places at any hours of the night, never seen or had any problems.

My theory. .. parents just brainwashing their kids to do nothing but stay at home and study until they have a family.. i dunno

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I think it's reasonable.

 

If I was a parent, and my beloved son or daughter went out late at night and got mugged and killed, I'd never forgive myself for having so carelessly let go of my pension/retirement plan. Unless the police caught the bastards, I'd have to work longer, and save more of my money - rather than buy a new iPhone.. And where the hell would I live???

 

No, it's just not worth the risk! Better to have them locked away safely at home where I can keep a watchful eye on them - until they've caught the eye of some rich guy with his own house and car that I can use and abuse.

BHGAL:

a good way of looking at it... reasonable.... for now...............  some day the kids and the people gotta be on their own... ..  the bosses of their own destiny ......It is tough in China.............  me, I wish my family was "closer", here, I wish my wife's family wasn't so "close".

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Haha good one. You'd think the children would sometimes have a problem with this, but no. .. doesn't seem like it

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I find it odd.....when I first came here on business trips I was told not to go into the village behind the factory as it was dangerous, my Chinese white collar colleagues wouldn't go there (never mind a lot of the production workers lived there!). 

 

Wind forward a couple of years & ears & I was dragged there for a few beers a couple of times by ScotsAlan.....we had a great time! Yes it's dark & dingy with narrow alleys but also very welcoming (to foreigners anyway!)

 

I feel safe here But then I'm a guy...don't know the women on this site feel. 

fada:

Women? On the internet? Where? *straightens tie and flushes toilet*

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China is not even close to as dangerous when it comes to violent crimes. Sure they are probably a lot more traffic accidents, crazy random incidents but walking down a dark alley at night here is much safer than back home.

 

I don't know why they think it is dangerous. I guess they just have nothing else to compare to and see lots of crime in the news and gossip.

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Your theory is spot on. Another victory for Chinese parenting. 

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Because they aren't foreigners with special protections. They can't go back to their home country if something goes wrong.

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It's interesting how pushers of steel nets on the windows make their money.

Every apartment building in China looks like 'bullion gold depository' or prison facility.

On Campus, there are many official, non-residential buildings, all with steel nets on the windows as high as 5th floor, and you can't enter the Campus, if guards don't let you in.

They might be afraid thieves could enter Campus under the 'students' cover. 

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It's not so much a problem of probabilities for bad things to happen as it is a problem of what would happen next.

Would anyone on the streets help? Fat chance.

Would police give a shit/actually investigate? Maybe, maybe not, experience tells people wouldn't count on it.

Would family be helpful? Family probably would blame the victim for the rest of its life.

Would you receive any kind of help from society? Haha.

 

Then another word on probabilities: as foreigners, we're not a preferred target. Of course we can feel safe. First Chinese thugs are usually pussies, and second they'd know for sure someone would be looking into it eventually, or at least they think so. Not worth the trouble.

Chinese streets aren't as safe as you think for girls alone, especially with the amount of crazy bullcrap going on (kidnappings and slavery still exist, China is a huge country with so many remote places where I could take you and it would take you days/weeks to find help).

Strawberry66:

So true. 

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I know what you are talking about and I know why your female friends are afraid of going outside after sunset.

 

China is not dangerous at all when compared to the US or some other countries, there are very few violent crimes. Also Chinese men are pussies, I am not afraid of anyone here even the pretend thugs or low end local mafia, they wouldn't ever attack another man in a fair fight, they always pick on expected weaker targets such as women, children or little animals.

 

So for a lone woman China can seem more dangerous than for a lone man, especially if that man is a foreigner.

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hmmmm.....let me just take a stab in the dark.... perhaps Chinese are a bit more aware of the reality than you Mr. Rose-colored Glasses ?   no

 

 

**  get it?  'stab in the dark'   haha   alliteration?  simile?  metaphor?

Shining_brow:

Alliteration???? crying

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ok,,, I was too lazy to research.   It is none of those things.  At most it is just a play on words.   lazy daze....  indecision

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You are probably working hard on literary language I guess. 'ha ha' can/can't be an alliteration?

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When I was out late,I met some creepy guys said hello to me and blow me a kiss. So it's unsafe to stay out late after 9pm in small town. In big city likes Shanghai,it's unsafe after 11pm

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Are those times officially sanctioned and approved by the CCP?

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yeah, kiss blowing and "hallooooo" is definitely not to be tolerated in such a civilised nation... the lawlessness here is unbelievable!

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I think China will soon enact an anti-kissblowing campaign, and eventually make the act illegal. The exception would be sarcastic interracial kissblowing, since Chinese have the right to be racist, and no laws may infringe upon the lack of anti-discrimination laws!

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a big reason I  am here, in  "small town" China is because of my belief that it is safe.

I have always had a thing for south east asia,  I considered Phillipines and Thailand and Indonesia and Malaysia, before retiring to here. From here I can visit these places but not set up in a "small town" dangerous place. take my chances for a week or 2 and then return home to my safe haven in China. I am sure you could get lost and not recognized in Bangkok, or Jakarta, Manila, Cebu or Kuala Lumpur. But to get out of these cities...  little dangerous for a long term stay for a little white guy.

 No machine guns or machete wielding lunatics where I am, and I like the tropical weather, fruit, vegies and rain.

Plus I found a pretty special woman right here, close to where I like to be.

 

diverdude1:

yeah, it's definitely a question of relativity.  in my experience china is not anywhere as dangerous as Phil or Taiguo.  those places one is definitely putting their life at risk wandering around at night off the beaten path.  hell, sometimes even on the beaten path.  I got jumped by two druggies in the middle of tourist-oriented Ermita whilst stumbling back to my hotel in the middle of the night.  my own fault perhaps, but still speaks to the reality of the place u are in.

 

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I think it's reasonable.

 

If I was a parent, and my beloved son or daughter went out late at night and got mugged and killed, I'd never forgive myself for having so carelessly let go of my pension/retirement plan. Unless the police caught the bastards, I'd have to work longer, and save more of my money - rather than buy a new iPhone.. And where the hell would I live???

 

No, it's just not worth the risk! Better to have them locked away safely at home where I can keep a watchful eye on them - until they've caught the eye of some rich guy with his own house and car that I can use and abuse.

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a good way of looking at it... reasonable.... for now...............  some day the kids and the people gotta be on their own... ..  the bosses of their own destiny ......It is tough in China.............  me, I wish my family was "closer", here, I wish my wife's family wasn't so "close".

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Haha good one. You'd think the children would sometimes have a problem with this, but no. .. doesn't seem like it

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Same reason they think Xi and Putin are bad boys. Because they're testicle-devoid slaves with no integrity who'll do anything for a shiny object with a recognizable brand name.

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"I would venture to say that their country is probably safer than ours late at night. "

All of us come from the same country? Or are you just a simple minded moron? 

China actually is more dangerous than we know. Not including traffic  accidents where everyone will just ignore you and let you die.  But violent crimes against women are under reported. They're taught from very early on that going to the police will cause more harm than good.  Rape is typically blamed on the woman, especially date rape. And yes they are also scaredy cats , which makes them easier to control.

 

 

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Short answers is "what do they have to compare it to?"

 

Long answer is that it's dangerous in different kinds of ways (less direct street-level violence and more widespread negligence) and also remember that crimes may not be reported and the justice system isn't nearly as transparent. It FEELS safe on the street here, but who knows how much of that is just not getting to watch the news and hear fear-mongering from the media? I keep seeing statistics that even the worst neighborhoods in the US are way safer now than in the 1950s glory days. I dunno, maybe in reality I could visit comedy clubs in the Bronx every night for a week and have a great time every night. I don't know because I feel like that's not safe to do and don't want to risk it. Maybe trying that would be suicidal after all I just don't know. One counter-argument to the statistic that the US has so many people in jail is that the US also has a very well-funded justice department with the resources to prosecute crimes very aggressively.

 

Now I don't fully agree with that statement as a handwave of our prison population numbers (i think there are a ton of BS law enforcement, starting with the drug war) but the statement that the US has a more productive justice department even compared with other rich democracies leading to higher incarceration rates may well be objectively true. That would just be saying that as many burglaries might occur in France...but the french police and prosecutors are less good and catching the perps and sending them to prison.

 

Another thing is that the types of people who form what we think of as criminal gangs in the US aren't in any way empowered to do so here. If you had a group of Anhui migrant's kids in Shanghai who started getting tattoos advertising their criminality and committing thuggish street crime I think they would be rounded up very quickly. You wouldn't have the situation in the US with people advertising themselves as criminals but having to set up elaborate schemes to trap them actually doing something criminal.

 

Again though that's a double edged sword. We can say "look how china has no gangs!" and the flip side is "look how china has no rights." Which is better? Depends where you are in the society.

 

At the bottom things are so tightly controlled that you don't have that pervasive violent force making poverty difficult to survive but that control limits the quality of life further up too. What they do is make every part of the income distribution as survivable as possible but they give that survivability at the bottom at the expense of self-realization further up the ladder. Again you know...not entirely a criticism. I dont think it's a stretch to say the bottom half in China has it significantly better than the bottom half in India. That IS saying something. But then I think the top quartile in India have a lot more going on in their lives than the top quartile here.

 

I dunno It's a really complicated issue.

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