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Q: Why is it illegal to work on a Chinese spousal visa?

I just don't get why this is so. What are the foreign spouses supposed to do with their time in China if they don't have kids?Take up calligraphy or something? It's ridiculous!

12 years 4 weeks ago in  Visa & Legalities - China

 
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Before I reply, I wish to tell you first that even if you dislike my answer, it is not done to upset you, it is just reality.

First, each person entering China must have his / her own visa.  Even if the husband does have a work visa, and the corrsponding permits, that does not mean that his spouse can work too.  We can like it or dislike it, but there is not much else that we can do.  We are here, and must dance to whatever tune they play, and if do not like the tune, remain seated and do not dance.

In fact, this is so in many other countries too.  Even if in USA, if you do not have at least a resident visa, and a social security number, you can not legally work, make no difference what type of visa the husband has.

So, if I may suggest a solution, try to find her a place to work, then go to PSB and request a working permit, and a Foreign Expert Certificate for her.

bat22:

its obama land no papers ok to work illigal ok to work sing someone elses id ok to work its obama land he needs the votes

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I agree with the original poster.

It seems to me to be quite counter culture. Chinese culture often says that the women are there to have children and create a home and the man should be out working his ass off to get money for the family.

Only, if you are a foreigner married and on a marriage visa, you cannot work, so how can you fulfill your obligation? Surely most people know that in 90% of the cases, just being a foreigner and having the ability to speak English means that unless you are ridden hard by a business, you can make more than say, 90% of most people's wives can. Even my friend who was very proud of his wife bringing in 8000 a month as a manager of a posh restaurant, still out earned her working just 20 hours a week.

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True and agree! I am in the same boat..no kids no permanent jobs. I am happy still cause then I can make a good use of my spare time for many things I haven't done yet, things of my passion, but still If I can choose, I'll opt being financially productive first.. 

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But..what about non-formal work though.. like giving private lessons by request.. no contract no company, just informal supply and demand, still it's financially productive.. is it still considered illegal?  

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Illegal? Yes.  Strictly enforced?  Debatable.  Worth risking a fine/detainment/deportation....up to you!

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Not that I agree with it, but the Chinese government's reasoning seems to be that if a job can be done by a Chinese person, then they should get the job, not a foreigner.  So while they're more than happy to let you come and live with your Chinese spouse on a tourist visa, they would rather not have you taking some poor Chinese person's job, especially when that Chinese person can do that job for a fraction of the cost to employ a foreigner.  TIC.

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It is Very Simple: You don not have Z visa..your spouse has Z visa..

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Because the law of the land says so

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it is about protecting jobs of the nationals. they do not want foreigners coming to china and working in just any profession. could you imagine if chinese workers had to compete with competent employees????

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its simple..that is the law of the land and we have to respect it... thanks

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No idea........but god that is stupid...why can't you work?!!!!!.............that is so unfair....................Hang on mate!!!!!............things might change

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It is one of the more ridiculous parts of having a spousal visa. It may change in the future but not for quite some time I feel.

 

As others have said, it's the same in other countries in that you do need the proper visa for whatever you intend to do. Some countries allow you to work on a spousal visa but most do not.

 

If you want to work get the right documents and also go to the right company, if they hire you illegally theres more chance they will screw you over because you can't go to the PSB to report them because you would be hanging yourself!

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i have information for you , if you have company ,representative office ,you can apply 2 work permit and this work permit you just renew it every year . is very convenient  for you . and is east register company in guangzhou if you have any question you can contract me. MSN:dada1_hongkong@hotmail.com

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Look, if you are married and living in China and working in on a spousal visa, if you are caught, the consequences will be not pleasant but they will be not dire, either.  Depending upon the province, it could range from a stern warning to a fine.   On the other hand, if you are working on an L visa and you are caught, you risk immediate deportation these days -- same re the F visa in certain provinces.

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Seems reasonable to me. But at the same time I think they should add something to it for those who want to work. Like a spouse visa with a 1 designation or say you have to be married five years to work on the spouse visa. Most countries have a similar set up. 

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Do what the Chinese do, find her a job that suits her, then take the boss out to dinner, pay for it, then when the dinner is finished pay him a 'bonus' for hiring your wife. I know the Chinese do this regularly when looking for a job. The one thing I have learned- for sure- in this country is that you can pay for anything. Even a good job for your wife. 

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