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Q: Expat war...which one are you?

The long timer married with kid and content living here...insulted by anything remotely deemed offensive to the Chinese people or culture.

The mid-timer...not married to a Chinese woman (or man) who has learned to accept and even love some aspects of China but still is undecided as to whether their life would be better back home.

The short timer....2 kinds...the first being the escapers/adventurers that are eager to find something new and exciting...came to China with high hopes and have not become jaded yet....the second kind being the type who said what the hell...lots of jobs and opportunity in China but after 2 weeks thought what the hell was I smoking and grows jaded?

 

Which one are you and did I miss a category? 

 

I think there is a healthy mix of all these here.

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I don't think I fit into any of those categories.

 

For me, I have been here long enough for the honeymoon phase to be a distant memory.  I have a Chinese wife and 2 small kids.  While I love a lot of things about my life here, I do realize the many, many problems this country has but get frustrated knowing nothing I do or say will ever change any of it.

 

Will I live here forever?  Not a chance.  Maybe a few more years at maximum, few more months at minimum.

 

As I said earlier, I see a lot of things here that are just wrong.  But, what gets me pissed off is people making blanket statements about China or any other place on the planet.  And yes, I know I am guilty of making those blanket statements myself.

 

The truth is that I have seen incredible kindness and generosity here as well as incredible self centeredness and a complete lack of morales.  There is no blanket statement that covers China or anywhere else.  And if I could keep that in my own mind, I think I will finally get that sainthood I have been coveting.

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I think I fit in there as a hybrid. A mid-timer, married to a Chinese woman (and raising a Chinese son by her previous marriage), who's getting along pretty good with the culture and who understands both the good and the bad about living in a foreign country. I love a lot of things about China, but as an outsider I see all the "bad" things, also.

 

Will I stay? Probably not. I could make a lot more money back in the States, and have a healthier lifestyle, but I do enjoy the relaxed work schedule here, and my standard of living, for what I make, is comparable to what it would be "back home."

 

The funny thing is, when I do get back home, I will probably be more Pro China than I am here, if for no other reason that most people in the States are completely ignorant about what China is like ("They're all Commies!" or "They're out to destroy us!"). It's kinda ironic that here, immersed as I am in the society, I am annoyed by so many little things, but when I finally leave, I'll probably wish I was right back here. Well...maybe.

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I'm the Newbie

I got offered an opportunity and so here i am

I came with no expectations, and very little knowledge of what to expect, some things i like, some things i don't, but i don't let anything upset me, and i take each day as it comes.

I live in a small town and not a large city, and i haven't seen another westerner since i got off the plane.

I don't know if i will stay long term, but i will always keep my options open.

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Short-timer (yet), previously had experience with China, and came to stay here for long (long-timer in spe).
Not married with Chinese woman, but OK to do it.
Knowing that China have many faces, just like any country in the world, but for him (me ) it is still best place. 

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Short to MiddleTime Adventurer,,,,, There are more things at home that I hate than in China, welfare bums, dead beats, a justice system that doesn't work,  governments that are not affective and exist for themselves, cops that are petty shits, taxed to death, can't blow your nose without a permit. Sure I can cross the road, but could get a ticket for jay walking. Heaven help me should I be caught in public with open liquor. Then there's the average size of an ass.

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I don't think I fit into any of those categories.

 

For me, I have been here long enough for the honeymoon phase to be a distant memory.  I have a Chinese wife and 2 small kids.  While I love a lot of things about my life here, I do realize the many, many problems this country has but get frustrated knowing nothing I do or say will ever change any of it.

 

Will I live here forever?  Not a chance.  Maybe a few more years at maximum, few more months at minimum.

 

As I said earlier, I see a lot of things here that are just wrong.  But, what gets me pissed off is people making blanket statements about China or any other place on the planet.  And yes, I know I am guilty of making those blanket statements myself.

 

The truth is that I have seen incredible kindness and generosity here as well as incredible self centeredness and a complete lack of morales.  There is no blanket statement that covers China or anywhere else.  And if I could keep that in my own mind, I think I will finally get that sainthood I have been coveting.

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  Yeh, i'm the short-timer, out for adventure, then turned mid-timer after discovering teaching and hooking up with one of the local girls, finally turned long-timer when the bitch got pregnant. Wayagunnado?

  Ok, I guess I did give it a little more thought than that. Wouldn't say i'm completely settled and ready to defend China against all comers though, as you suggested of us 'long-timers', but I certainly don't warm to people who make broad generalizations.

  Think you did miss out a rather large sub-culture of expats though: the guy who just came to get laid. They come in each category, from short-timer to long, and the most painful to witness of these is the 70 year old of the species, walking down the road in a floral shirt and a cowboy hat, dreaming that he looks 35. Ouch.

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Been here a short time (just under 2 years) married to a Chinese woman (8 years married) and have a young daughter.

 

I can see China's faults but get irritated when people just slag of the whole nation for the errors of a few. I try (and often fail) to see the  positive in any situation. I also realise China IS changing and those CNN (via the CIA) stories released regularly are most time extreme exaggerations but more often are an indication of the institutionalised fear of China by USA PLC!

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am the guy who never makes sense and i think i will be the one to die in a fun way.......................LOL

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Ha! Good sh*t! My Dog tags: Married Chinese, beautiful baby daughter, been here 4 years, hate China, waiting for US economy to rebound, miss the clean environment, whatever you say about China is fine with me.

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Have been here fifteen months and have no intention of returning to the UK apart from the bit of work I have to go back for. I see a lot here that really pisses me off but not more so than in the UK, it's just different things. I have met many Chinese who I like and there  are many who are so blinkered and ignorant I wouldn't want to meet them more than once, I will give anyone a try once. Hugh G. Rection is right about the corruption, at least it is more in the open here, back there democracy is the chance every five years to vote for who you are going to get shafted by next, and the bleating of the sheep at the voting booths is loud but they keep coming back for more everytime. What would I do if I did not stay here, probably find another Asian country or maybe somewhere like Belize. As I say to some of my Chinese people at English corner we all live on one world and boundaries between countries are only there so that some group of power brokers can lay claim to a geographic area. I do think that most people most of the time are fine but wherever you go there are politicians and they are the ones that really screw it up for the rest of us.

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Wow, are women included in this question or it's a men thing?

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I'm not quite what you described either. I was a short timer (10 months) but I went to China after doing a ton of reading/research about what to expect. I wasn't really surprised by anything, but was never really happy either. I couldn't socialize with anyone outside of the school. I didn't like the location of the city. The idea of traveling alone in China scared me (although I went to Japan and traveled alone without too much of a problem). I made friends, and I would like to hang out with them again, but I don't really want to go back to China. There are other countries I'd like to explore, where it will be easier for me to grasp the language.

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I'm just a retired old fart who has been influenced by the old amma (aye) who looked after me in Singapore in 1950.   I came here three years ago to work on an organic farm in Guandong.   Because of major floods that year, the farm was washed away, along with a number of families and their homes.   During reconstruction I tried to persuade the locals to rebuild homes with rice straw bales, my hidden agenda, just like with any rural culture anywhere in the world, the response was naturally - ' are you bloody stupid, piss off and mind your own business' said in the nicest possible way, of course.

 

Since then, I've spent most of my time traveling to different rural areas trying to obtain the use of land or old buildings to showcase the concept of earthquake proof, super insulated, sustainable homes.   It's bloody hard work but I have found an amazing amount of enthusiasm from students and parents alike to help me design and build these very cheap and surprisingly cosy dwellings.   Some people grab hold of the wrong end of the stick and offer to build me a house in their village in order to have me as the 'token' foreigner.   I have declined quite a few, and I explain that I don't have a face to loose and hope that they won't be too offended.   Most just laugh, showing that they do have a sense of humour.

 

I intend to spend what little time I've got left spreading the 'gospel' according to 'rice straw', in the hope that China will cut down on burning the stuff. even if it's just by a little bit.   From small acorns grow giant oaks.

 

During my military days in the late 60s I had an opportunity to come to Hong Kong, which in those days because of so many sanpans, was a floating cesspit.   Look what a gentle British influence has produced there.  Perhaps a more gentle approch here could work wonders. Sadly for me but certainly for the benefit of the world my talents were required elsewhere and I found myself 'fighting' the Russians in Europe.

 

I'm very suspisious of some people's motives here and this site causes me to be very suspicious of what I see as an unelected committee, cabinet, or politburo, call it what you will, of pro western, mainly United states, propagandists.    I see what I BELIEVE, no proof, to be an orchestrated attempt to belittle the efforts that China is trying to make to improve the lot of it's people it's an enormous task, they need help and constructive criticsism, not ridicule and hate.    When I see what I perceive to be petty hate and the kettle calling the pot black I'll just pop in a mirror or two.

 

We all know that China's development has been delayed by what has happened here in the last 150 years, and by what's happening now, but things are improving.   This is not a basket ball game, there's no instant gratification.   Change will take time, and as in all countries around the world, there are some clever people around (perhaps Giad is one of them) who can and do make a difference, the Chinese need help and encouragement.   I just hope that the unelected politburo here will change their policy.

 

Somebody has been putting something in the water  a little bit of transparency and kindness is coming through on this site.

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I think second one is good as as we have to bear others as well and hard work to attain our goals. As there are many opportunities at least bear smoke around us Smile

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I am the second one. I guess marriage seals the deal really in making you a long timer.

 

I take one day at a time, and well as long as I'm happy I'm going to stay.

 

My country hasn't changed much in the years I've been here, so there's nothing appealing that makes me want to go back to my old life...

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i think i'm the last type 

i came here with high hopes but at the moment i'm not really happy with life here in general so looking for other opportunities elsewhere 

I respect the culture but damn it's so different from anywhere else and i can't really adapt to most of the things here in China, even after 1 year

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First one with a hint of second. I have a wife but I wouldn't say I'm insulted by offensive things that people say about China. 

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I have turned into a proper jaded old git. (only 30 though)

I am married to a Chinese woman and have a little one on the way, however, I hate this place with a fervent passion I would not have known possible.

If it was not for the love of my wonderful wife and the fact that she does not actually want to leave quite yet, I would have departed without a backward glance about four months after I arrived for the second time. (first time I spent 18 months here as an adventurer)

I cannot wait for the day when I can give two fingers to this backwards/inwards looking hell-hole.

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I'm a level 22 mid-timer (7 years of experience on the Chinese realm), whose image of China was destroyed by the post-Olympics Beijing. Seriously, I thought being on holidays here would be more fun than when I lived here, but no. It still blows.

 

Qingdao is a pretty kewl place though. So far so good.

 

I wouldn't stay here forever (hell no), but I would definitely stay on the Chinese WoW servers. We have the best damned guild ever, and I'm not farming everything all over again.

 

There are good sides to China, there are bad sides (like everything about Beijing), so I guess going back and forth between Ye Olde Motherland and here would be the best thing to do.

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Level 95 basement dweller

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Iam number one

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