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Q: Universal healthcare - yea or nay?

I'm sure this has been argued on here before, but what the hell....

 

I'm all for it.

 

I believe it is the government's responsibility to ensure that all citizens have access to low-cost basic healthcare, taken from the taxes we pay. We should have the right to see a GP when needed, and that hospital care is, for the most part, free.

 

I like that our medicines are subsidised by the government, as that helps keep costs down (and hopefully stops pharmaceutical companies from  being even more powerful and richer than they already are).

 

I also think that private health insurance can be used as a way to have health care provided by more luxurious private hospitals, and faster treatment for non-emergency issues.

 

I would add to the above that all medical students (including doctors and nurses) are required to intern in public hospitals for X years, including being sent to remote or regional locations as necessary - this is especially the case where higher education (ie, university) is wholly or partly funded by the state (as in many countries).

 

This responsibility is no less important than other government responsibilities such as ensuring utilities are provided, infrastructure, communications, law and order, and for me - education (in some form*) at least to year 10.

 

Just as the above list benefits the country as a whole, and increases its wealth, so too does healthcare, as sick people are unable to contribute to society.

 

Virtually ALL western developed countries have universal health care, and while there are certainly flaws that need to be addressed (such as waiting times), in general the system words extremely well. The one country that infamously does not have universal health care is the one country that the rest of the world laughs at its political system (and leaders), and is shocked at its military spending... (and, coincidentally, is the one country that has never head a female head of state!)

 

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I am all in for the universal healthcare and I think it's a blatant lie of neoliberals when they claim that offering basic healthcare will ruin the economy.How come so many countries in Europe are able to offer quality and often free medical healthcare and avoid the Armageddon? 

 

The only thing is that such arrangements require properly working tax system for the whole society, not simple targeting of the middle class and some sort of social agreement where proprietors not only want to milk the economy, but share something with the rest. And I can't understand it when even post-Soviet European countries can afford the universal and free/reasonably priced healthcare and the US can't.

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yea if you're civilized. nay if you believe in a dog-eat-dog world

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Yea! What he said. Raise the damn taxes so everyone pays 60-70% of their salaries. It's only money after all. Who cares that the medical service will be decreased and that fewer doctors and nurses will get into the medical field. No one should worry about having to go to another country to get better treatment or cheaper meds. And, there is definitely no reason to worry about the valuable research that leads to modern medical care and cures. Amen brother! If Canada, China, Russia, and many EU countries can do it with such precision and professionalism, why can't the USA. (Tongue in Cheek)

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Ummm.... love the BS.

 

Firstly, almost no country in the world is paying 60-70% of salaries in taxes, and certainly not to support universal health care.

 

Secondly, according to the wonder source of information, wiki, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tax_rates shows us that the US is already taxing its citizens (and legally working immigrants) a healthy chunk of their pay anyway, and NOT providing the healthcare to go with it.

 

Interestingly enough, while the EU countries that have some of the best medical care available also have higher tax rates (for social security etc), France has a lower tax rate than the US and... "The French health care system is one of universal health care largely financed by government national health insurance. In its 2000 assessment of world health care systems, the World Health Organization found that France provided the "close to best overall health care" in the world.[263] The French healthcare system was ranked first worldwide by the World Health Organization in 1997.[264][265] In 2011, France spent 11.6% of GDP on health care, or US$4,086 per capita,[266] a figure much higher than the average spent by countries in Europe but less than in the US. Approximately 77% of health expenditures are covered by government funded agencies.[267]

 

 

Granted, the US also spends vastly more on military spending that those foolish countries that waste money on healthcare... fools!

 

If you have some sort of data that suggests people are turning away from careers in medicine, please show... (remember to show correlations, and also figures for the US to compare)

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6056715/Doctors-allowed-end-lives-patients-dementia-degenerative-diseases.html

 

Making healthcare affordable for all citizens, have a wonderful day you old dead fart, an interesting statistic, 85 percent of health care costs of an individual in the last two years of life, so how did you cut cost, kill the last two years, problem solved. Brilliant actually, at least someone is thinking with out emotion, now if we get politicians to do this for policies while we are living, the world might improve.

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6056979/Downs-syndrome-boys-death-doctor-convicted-manslaughter-catastrophic-errors.html

 

Junior doctors, understaffed hospital, what could possibly go wrong, government is better at healthcare than doctors, doctors are just cogs in the wheel, not important at all. what to hell is a junior doctor, translation, a way to pay less money.

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dokken:

look at the many americans youtube praising the experience of getting treated in the nhs. sometimes in the nhs there are problems. there is a constant battle between improving standards and fyunding, as you would expect as there should be

 

the nhs is loved in the uk for a reason. even right wing parties never dispute that it should be funded. if any ever did they would lose in an election. every british person i ever met supports the nhs. sure things can go wrong, certain are might not be so good, other areas very good. almost nobody disputes it should exist

 

the daily mail is well known for being a crazy paper. it is own by rupert murdoch and most of the articles is aimed at those with racist inclinations. it is more than willing to tell lies to get own own agenda accross

 

the uk will never leave poor people to die. however you decide to fund the health service you have to end up with a situation where that doesn't happen. the uk doesn't let somebody who has lost two fingers, only get one reattached and the other thrown in bin because they cannot afford two. the uk doesn't deny somebody else medical healthcare because they previously had a health condition. the uk doesn't deny people cancer treatment because they didn't disclose they had an ulcer. the uk doesn't leave people to die. the uk doesn't have critically injured people ask not to call them ambulances. the uk is not full of savages.

 

now if you think poor people should be left to die because the fuckers don't have any money why don't you just say that. why try and use bullshit propaganda agaisnt a country you propbably have never been to or experienced their healthcare

 

no western country other than the us has a barbaric healthcare systen. every country other than the us does not profit on people s sickness

5 years 28 weeks ago
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a family who is not white but have conservative leanings

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xM5h55Dp_I

 

in europe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mwantba05Y0

 

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you support trump giving state money to farms, so you're for socialized farming. shouldn't farming be free markets

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by law, you can't be refused medical care in America so the freeloaders in emergency care that don't pay cause the others who do pay to pay more, alot more, I just don't want a doctor giving me care that he knows is wrong because the government tells him what to do, why have medical schools, just have a medical army provided by the government and be done with it. the lady who gets the 3000 dollar ambulance can pay ten dollars a week forever without being sued or going to jail.

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Socialized farming or subsidies have been going on for decades, long before Trump and since the Senate has power with farm states with low population having a disproportiionate vote, we are stuck with it. Nafta actually under Clinton bankrupted many farmers in Mexico.

 

The government has no business in health care or farming, Medical care in America would go down a lot if we just knew prices. you can not get a price for a lab fee or a doctor consultation on the phone or even in the bastard or bitch doctor's office five minutes before your appointment want give you a price.

 

I had to help a friend in California have a baby, illegal alien, no insurance, that did not want to be a free loader and pay later, so I had to call 20 hospitals before I could find one that would agree to 8000 dollars for the birth or 12000 for a c section,standard rates at that time, including all fees in writing in cash. So many government forms, so many separate bills, even if your poor, its fucking ridiculous. There are actually hospitals in America that will not take cash for patient care of any kind, must be sent an invoice and pay with a check or money order. So how is the NHS funded, in Germany they take fifteen percent of your wages for life for free medical care, what is the funding mechanism in Britain.

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14 percent? where do you get this nonsense from. it's 8 percent. s.,and this american says it's worth it. they n you not only get healthcare in the sense that you would understand it, but they get lots of added benefits that americans can only dream about. every german i know seems to like their country. living standards are very high. i wouldn't like the 40 percent tax rate but i asked germans about it and they are happy with what they get in return. if germany had been americas size, it probably would have been a greater industrial power. i dont think they suffer from lack of free enterprise or ineffective markets to be honest. have you driven an audi compared to a crysler(probably made from yogurt cartons). i have and let me tell you it's like the difference between cavier and dog shit made by a dog with a particulary nasty gut infection. not bad for a socialist country huh

 

if it's true respect to you and her. . you know people only get emergency care. they put a band aid on somebody with a life threatening condition. they will die shortly.

 

a lot of the so called free loaders you say were people who were screwed over by insurance money. obviously it's in an insurance companies interest not to treat people. many millionaires are creat.ed by these insurance companies. people who do not anything to the system. it s why the preventative care is so bad in the us. i noticed when i was there, no healthy eating adverts, information about conditions and so on. not enough money in preventative care

 

how does the uk pay for it. i guess you already checked out the tax rates cause you wanted to use that in your argument. only thing was you found out it was the same or lower. and thats before you tallk about deductibles, co pay and so on.

is it 60 percent of us money goes into admin? drug comapanys fix prices dont theey. something you cant do with nhs because they are the biggest bulk buyer of medicine in the world. like wall mart making things cheap.

 

how do we do this. cause our overheads are sensible. don't you know america pays the highest useless costs, money that doesn;t get spent on actual treatment. far higher than anywhere in the world

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=91971406

i thought you would quite like the german system. there is a lot of freedom to chose. and they don't get atories like this: "Take Aimee Snyder, a 28-year-old graduate student at the University of Arizona. She got preoccupied with choosing her courses and missed the sign-up deadline for health insurance by one day. Then she started having leg pains and shortness of breath." "sometimes, medical bills are higher than they need to be. Andrew Dasenbrock of Salt Lake City recently had to pay twice for much of his care. He's 32, a self-employed IT consultant who says he can't afford health insurance. It started when he woke up one night with alarming stomach pain — "like shards of glass traveling through me," he says. Doctors at a nearby urgent care center ran a bunch of tests but couldn't figure out what was wrong, so they sent him to the hospital. According to our poll, Drug costs Even though the hospital was part of the same system, the doctors there weren't alerted that Dasenbrock was coming and his records weren't transferred. So he had to fill out the same questionnaires and repeat all the same diagnostic tests, as he was doubled over in pain. A CT scan showed a nonserious ailment that needed only simple treatment — lots of fluids — and Dasenbrock went home. But two days later he got two bills totaling thousands of dollars" yes the for profit healthcare system works beautifully. not evil at all btw i hope you are never unfortunate in life. if you start a business and it fails, then your health starts to go and you wonder how you could have enede up this way. ill call you freeloader then

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i guess we ll agree to disagree.it's been a good debate. just so iyou know i do love america. i did notice many of the good thing there. 

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Don't get me wrong, a good government run healthcare system would be great, the problem is government usually does not do anything as good as the private sector. I would love for that not to be the case. For Germandy It is my understanding that you pay 7 to 8 percent out of your pay and the company you work for pays 7 to 8 percent under your name and the company will pass that cost onto consumers for the products and services they sell hence the 15 to 16 percent cost. If that is wrong, let me know, I would expect the Germans to run a better healthcare system than the British, I have free healthcare in France as a former French Foreign Legionaire and my chec k gets nipped for 57.875 percent taxes. IF NASA ran American healthcare, I would hop on a plane and move back tomorrow, anybody else, I just pay cash and go to Mexico. For the skeptics of government, transparency and honesty is needed and real cost numbers. Cosmetic and elective surgeries are included the health care to gdp ratio in America and this makes a true comparison to other nations skewed. I have always said preventive care could be done in clinics run by medical schools and the cost could be funded by the government in savings of supplying more doctors. American medical association is a cartel that only allows so many doctors for internship to keep doctor labor cost high with pay offs to the government. Cartels are not the invisible hand theory of Adam Smith. We still have the Veterans Administration hospital and doctor system by very few veterans are alive now for the system. Doctors sit around getting paid for nothing, they need to give those facilities to universities and put veterans under medicare like the elderly, they both suck but one bad system is better than two and the savings could fund preventive clinics for training doctors.

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https://www.afp.com/en/news/2266/swedes-enjoy-world-class-healthcare-when-they-get-it-doc-18l33e1

Supposed to get surgery in 90 days and waiting 270 days. Waiting to die because of a shortage of nurses and doctors who can make more money in another country. Great planning and i lose half my wages in taxes for this great system.

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if you are going to put every other western country's healthcare under the microscope im sure you could find somethnig to support your case for giving large profits to inefficient and immoral for profit health insurance companies. now i've lived in sweeden and and america before. i guarantee you there are a lot more problems in america. whatever socialist sweeden is doing, it's working. gdp is high, patent application is high, literacy is 100 percent. they have a strong private sector so dont try that 40mpercent bullshit. if the people didnt want it they wouldnt vote for it. they must feel like they are getting something in return. i wouldn't want it but it's up to them

 

bottom line is, you get a lot more problems in amercan healthcare and you know it. they re just not weak enough to find some other country then try to find a bad example than try to look inwards. republicans are so weak

 

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The money is used inefficiently with either system. if the government does it, large multilevel chain of command structure and wasted money. If the private sector does excessive profits.

 

I personally don't see a good answer, if money is wasted and the service is bad, taxpayers are pissed off. If they make profits with private, taxpayers are pissed off.

 

A control board with average workers and total transparency would be a good start, but as long as elites run the show, the working class will always believe its a screw job no matter what system you use.

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https://au.news.yahoo.com/parents-watch-baby-die-chicken-pox-misdiagnosis-000303003.html

 

The great NHS, killing another baby. yes government healthcare is wonderful, no blood tests, no observation, a purple leg is a tight diaper, yes parents choke off blood supply with tight diapers everyday, total bullshit, cheap pay, save money, screw the patients, when nobody wants to work for low pay as a doctor, you get the worst doctors, pretty simple actually. When most of your new doctors are Pakistani doctors just let the caucasion infidel crumb cruncher die, good riddance.

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I could get horror examples all day of healthcare in the us. I’m not going to. For the majority the nhs works just fine and doesn’t take a huge amount of thevsalary. Every other western country has a system like this. Why? Because it works. Because we are not savages who leave people to die. People like you are the useful idiots to one percent. if the nhs was a bad system why do 99 percent of British people support it

 

a doctor in the Uk gets between 70 000 to 250 000 Pounds a year. Medical graduates get the highest average salary. Why do republicans feel it is ok to lie to try to make their point

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junior_doctor

 

Someone has given you very bad info, junior doctor 2nd year 31 thousand pounds, foreign born doctors 34.5 percent. I dont spread lies, I look at raw numbers without a bias, results speak for themselves.

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government healthcare for the poor, veterans and elderly in America is much worse than the NHS, my point is government has no business in my doctors office in any way except to make sure he is qualified, not trying to kill me and the drugs he gives me are safe. NOTHING MORE.

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I am a conservative, not a republican, Reagan was great and Bush was a piece of shit, Reagan should have never kissed the ass of moderates and country club republicans by making the father vice president, having the CIA run your politics always screws the average citizen.

5 years 23 weeks ago
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a doctor in training you’ll earn a basic salary for 40 hours a week, plus pay for any hours over 40 per week, a 37 per cent enhancement for working nights, a weekend allowance for any work at the weekend, an availability allowance if you are required to be available on-call, and other potential pay premia. In the most junior hospital trainee post of Foundation year 1 your basic starting salary is £26,614. This increases in Foundation year 2 to £30,805. If you’re a doctor starting your specialist training in 2017 your basic starting salary starts at £36,461 and progresses to £46,208. Specialty doctors If you’re working as a specialty doctor you’ll earn a basic salary of £37,923 to £70,718. Consultants As a consultant you'll earn a basic salary of £76,761 to £103,490 per year, depending on the length of your service. You may apply for local and national Clinical Excellence Awards. This is a competitive process which takes into account work that you do over and above delivering your basic job requirements. In addition if you take on extra responsibilities, for example in management or education, you may expect to be paid more.

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From the nhs website. I’m not sure where you get your information from but it’s best to go the source. The salaries for doctors are quite reasonable. Not a million miles behind American doctors. It’s an ideological thing. I think if money is what you care most about, don’t become a doctor. NHS salary is reasonable for motivating people to become doctors. But you would think their primary motivation is to treat people. Become a lawyer or get into finance if you want more money than this. You would feel good about only making those that can afford to pay, healthier.

 

im not sure why you were talking about recent graduate junior doctors. Would you expect them to get as well paid as a consultant. It doesn’t stay low for long. My sister finished her medical degree 7 years ago and is paid about 45k a year in the nhs. Perfectly reasonable

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I got the salaries from wikipedia, but if junior doctors dont get a housing allowance with the salaries listed after all the training and years of study, they would make more money the first year as an Eddie Stobart truck driver.

 

My point was when the salaries are set by the government and not the private free market, you get the least common denominator over time. History will bear out the story and the results.

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the problem with long term care after retirement is it is by its nature "care" and not "medical treatment", so private or public, is not a real expense of healthcare.

 

Governments had added it into medical care for votes I suppose, but it really needs to a separate funded program, private or public not the point unless you talk about quality, need versus want, etc.

 

NO matter who administers the care, cost cutting, loopholes, exceptions will be used to cut the cost to a bare minimum.

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https://metro.co.uk/2018/11/10/war-hero-must-sell-his-house-to-pay-for-care-because-hes-survived-too-long-8125422/

 

Can you feel the love brothers and sisters? give me an "amen", yes let's sing "shall we gather at the river" and "we are the world" don't forget your christmas card to scrooge, I mean the NHS, for Christmas.

ScotsAlan:

That story is misleading. In the 80s, Maggie thatcher done away with NHS funded retirement homes. She wanted to privitise it. Thousands of care homes appeared, charging a fortune per week. It soon became clear to the Tories that these private homes were costing a fortune as they were as the places were paid for by the DHSS. So they made a new rule, that if a 'guest' had assets then they would be used up before government picked up the bill. They wont keep him in the hospital long term cos they need the beds. So unfortunately he will need to go in a private care home as he has assets. So he will need sell his house to pay for his care. When the money from the house sale is used up the local government will pick up the tab, or move him to a local government care home. Thatcher, you see, said old age care should be private if the patient cant afford it. A lot of ppl made a lot of money from that, and a load of people lost everything because of it.

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A mate of mine had to do similar. A year into his retirement his wife had a massive stroke. All health care is free, but she needed round the clock care in a nursing home. He had to sell his half million quid house and buy a 150k flat, the rest was used to pay her 1k GBP private nursing home. After a year a place came available in a govetnment home and she moved there. This whole thing was one of the first Ametican healthcare concepts imported into the UK. It is notable however that Blairs labour guv from 1997 did not change it back. Thats normal with UK labour governments. They let the tories do the nasty stuff, then keep it as is when they get in.

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I think its a crap system. But I will admit that the NHS care homes of the 70s and 80s were crap. But Maggie did not like paying for the care of people who had assets. Her reasoning was why should the masses subsidize someone so they can leave a fortune to their kids. Good conservative values that is.

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The article is misleading because he does not have to pay for health care. He has to pay for old age care. He will still have free healthcare, doctor visiting the care home etc. And will be admitted to hospital again if needed. If his condition does not need hospital treatment, then its into the Tory care home system he goes.

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End of life pallative care in a hospice is free. These tend to be run as a joint facility between the local government and charity. Well, I mean the charity runs them, local government paying in to keep them going. Legacies are their biggest income to keep them going.

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If he is still able to look after himself at home by the way, he can stay at home and the local government will pay for a home help. Someone to clean his house for a few hours a day, do his shopping etc. An NHS nurse will also visit for free. But when it gets to the point of round the hour care, then its into the tory care home system.

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Yeah. Having re-read the article its exactley as I have described above. He wants to leave the house to his kids, the local authority say he has to sell it to pay for his 5k GB a month care.Because its the local authority who provide the care. When the house money runs out the local authority will pick up the tab. If his kids want to inherit the house then it is up to them to look after their dad. Its a good debate to be had, because I remember Maggie asking at the time why the state should pay for long term old age homes when the guest can afford to pay. The old story of the kids not wanting to care for them, passing them on social care, and getting the estate when they die.

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Be interesting to know your thoughts on this ambi. Should the state pay for his old age care when he has a 400k house? Old age is not really a medical condition... sort of. Its just old age. Its notable in this case that the guy stays alone. His partner lives in London. In this case, the guy might live another 20 years. His kids could be renting the house out etc, making a lot of money while the tax payer pays for his digs. I am mixed on this. Too easy for kids to dump their old into the system if they cant be arsed looking after them.. if the system is free. Its open to abuse by the rich.

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In my case. Mum and dad spent their entire lives living in local authority housing. Mum died ten years ago dad was left in a 3 bedroom government family house with front and back garden. The local authority wanted the house, and as my dad is fully aware and mobile, they offered him a place in a local sheltered housing complex. His rent is paid by a combination of his pension and social security. My old man was born as Bevins cradle to grave was kicking in. He worked hard all his life in low paying jobs. And now the local authority help look after him. When he becomes in need of a care home he will get it for free. It could be argued that I should pay. Interesting. A good debate to had with this one ambi :-)

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this confiscation system happens in America, but people move the property to the kids names before retirement with a power of attorney and a trust account, so the property can't be seized and mom and dad rent it back for a dollar a year on a long term lease of say 30 years to skirt the law and have medicare pay for long term care, but government long term care homes are overcrowded and bad places to live, My mother survived 6 days in a government overcrowded home before she passed.

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Long term care had been treated as medical care even though it is not the same thing. The powers that be to comfort and buy votes have promised this long term care in programs that were designed originally for healthcare treatment only, perhaps for appeasement, buy votes, right thing to do. etc.

 

Long term care should be a separate program, administered and funded separetly regardless of public or private options. When you put the treatment and care together, you can't get real numbers to fix the problem and even understand the costs and results.

 

How much someone has or makes and how much they should pay goes into the politics, how socialists the country is, but even socialists need to know real costs before making promises.

 

A program that provides basic long term care, well defined, equal regardless of income would be ideal, and the well off could buy additonal care and coverage out of their own pocket.

 

Confiscation is a bad idea because people say why bother being productive to have it taken away, which causes a dominoe effect of more unproductive and increased dependence and more cost, and more taxes to make up the additional people who gave up and want to live on others. It never ends.

 

Switzerland has a good mix for healthcare, I wonder how they handle elder care.

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In the best world,,,,,sure.    In reality,,,,,,,no.  

 

(wanna know why imo?  If it gets State-funded it'll be abused/exploited to the max.)

 

((one thing I'll surely give our China brethren,,, not always of course,,, but they have been quite well known for taking the corrupt and lining them up against  the.... brick wall.))

ScotsAlan:

Good point diver. And to digress a little.. the richest man in existance has got himself a tax payer funded helipad in New York. Capatalist countries bend over backwards for capatalist kingpins... meanwhile in China.. Jack Ma was most likely told to retire.. And then alibaba announced they would import billions of goods. The US do coporate wefare. So does the UK. They subsidise corporate low wages with social security. I have no idea what is the best system.. I would lean towards China. but they dont do universal healthcare. They spend the money on their belt and road. I dont get it. Mao promised free healthcare.

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ya,,,, I've been in China hospitals plenty of times... to include surgery,,,, take my warning, or not, but you are lucky not to be an average schmoo here.....

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https://www.forbes.com/sites/sallypipes/2019/04/01/britains-version-of-medicare-for-all-is-collapsing/#55dbc84f36b8

 

New plan, make them wait and some will die and save us some money on cost.

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