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Q: The Grading System
My Friend who works with me at the same kindergarten as i do has got everything he needs to get a work visa,The grade he got is a B.
He is a good kindergarten teacher.The problem is he is from India and he is not a native speaker and can not get a work visa.
He has a Chinese wife with a baby on the way.
I think the grading system kinda sucks and seems very unfair
It's just the normal racism all non Chinese get dealt.
Look on the bright side ......your not right at the bottom of the food chain as far as foreigners ranking in China
Hotwater:
How do you know you're a grade C Rob? Through one of the expat site quick tests? Or have you now finally got a work permit?
RobRocks:
I did the test
I did not go to Uni,I dont have HSK Chinese in any level,I dont work for a top 500 company,I earn under 50,000,
Hotwater:
The problem Rob is that for teaching they still require a degree no matter how many pints you get. I know it's stupid in cases with like yours with your experience but theyre not going to change that.
It's just the normal racism all non Chinese get dealt.
Look on the bright side ......your not right at the bottom of the food chain as far as foreigners ranking in China
Hotwater:
How do you know you're a grade C Rob? Through one of the expat site quick tests? Or have you now finally got a work permit?
RobRocks:
I did the test
I did not go to Uni,I dont have HSK Chinese in any level,I dont work for a top 500 company,I earn under 50,000,
Hotwater:
The problem Rob is that for teaching they still require a degree no matter how many pints you get. I know it's stupid in cases with like yours with your experience but theyre not going to change that.
Did he have a work permit under the old system?
RobRocks:
not that I know of,he is on a marriage visa now ,and I think he was doing some study in China for awhile
but he has that HSK Chinese level 4,Masters Degree in Business and he has a TEFL,His skin color is against him as well.
Hotwater:
So I really don't know what your complaint is Rob! He was working illegally before so no difference now! It's always been the case in most places (especially T1 cities) that non-native English speakers (I.e. Not from the big 5 "white" countries) couldn't get FEC's to teach.
Nothing to see here...move along!
I would not want my child being taught English by a full on Indian. Maybe if they he/she was teaching writing or grammar....but not oral English. Not if there are other options. The accent is not pleasant. They at least should be a native speaker. The way I see it if you are going to hire an Indian to teach English...you might as well get a local Chinese with the same credentials. It basically adds up to the same thing.
Shining_brow:
So, without even knowing what this guy actually sounds like, you're just going to toss hm out.
You've just exemplified precisely what the problem here in China is,,,,,pre-conceived notions of who can and can't speak/know English. The same idea that if you have the right nationality, then you speka da good inglesh...
biggj123:
@shining_brow
I would at least have to hear the accent and judge myself...but I have never met a full on Indian from India with an accent I would teach to a child learning English from other than India ....sorry...not if I'm paying for it....for free sure...but not when I'm paying. I would also check a native speaker too for the same things.
this sort of 'grading' is symptomatic of Chinese obsession with scores and being 'better' than someone else.
i don't know any other country that 'grades' it's work visa holders.
granted some countries awards additional 'points' to those people who have skills or experience that are in demand to make it easier or more attractive to work there, but they end up with the same 'work visa' as everyone else.
Shining_brow:
Australia has a points system... the higher the points, the more likely you'll get in. That's why UK nationals will still take an IELTS test (expecting to get top score) - because it gives them higher points.
I, personally, have no issue with having a grading system. I do think this ABC needs to be looked at and significantly changed... (I mean, higher points for income??? And, of course, the whole NES/NNES teacher thing is just stupid!)
This is not new, i.e. 'no WP for Non' in Shenzhen, and for that matter rule of 'ONLY Native English teacher can get WP' works for the entire Guangdong since 2011-ish.
Beijing, Shanghai, most of the coastal Provinces all have the same rule.
I (Non) had WP in Dalian, Liaoning (2010-RP transfer) and in Fujian (2013-small city) with HK-Z-pick-up.
I was flatly declined WP transfer in Zhejiang in 2013. 'Go home!' 
was Gov.'s reply with signed Contract in view.
Hotwater:
This is why I asked if the Indian guy had a WP under the old system. I reckon he was working illegally then as well
icnif77:
Certainly, he was/is working illegally in Guangdong. Any Non-native English teacher working in Guangdong doesn't have RP by my looking-for-job experience.
The longest I went with new employer in Guangdong was 'Contract offer' last summer. He assured me, there won't be any problems at RP transfer.
However, Contract contained 'housing allowance', in which I am not really interested, so I can't tell, if Shenzhen employer could get RP transfer for me.
In this particular situation, it doesn't seem like the grading system is the problem... it's the English proficiency problem (combined with nationality). If it was merely the grading system, his MBA and TEFL would secure a B...
But, TBH, NNES and having an Indian L1 (which probably strongly affects his accent - intonation patterns are off, as are some grammatical structures - I'm lovin' it!) are bigger negatives than for other NNES (eg, Italian, German, Swedish, American)
