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Q: How valuable is an MBA from China internationally?
Hi,
I was just curious how an MBA from a top tier Chinese university is looked upon on the international job market? and maybe in Asia specifically? is it worth it for the two years you put in?
10 years 39 weeks ago in Business & Jobs - China
given the level of cheating and plagiarism that takes place in Chinese schools and universities, even the top ones, would you take a chance to be associated with it? Sure, many international students who go to study there put in the time and effort to do the required work, but would you think an association with this kind of endemic behavior would be good for your career?
HongHong62:
Cheating aside Chinese students are outworking and out-performing their Western counterparts - including Nordic countries.
It's not perfect, but what system is?
So, would say that neither Hu Jintao nor Xi Jinping have solid educational backgrounds, or that Noble Prize winner Chen Ning Yang is doing a poor job teaching at Tsinghua?
sorrel:
Anyone Chinese person who has been successful within China, is successful within the system that exists, a lot of it is through connections. Many Chinese students can not cope within foreign universities because they are not independent enough to do the research necessary for original work. It is true that there are successful business people in America and Europe that have received a minimal education. BUT you can not compare a degree obtained through cheating with one obtained through original research and work. Maybe Chinese students work harder at coming up with original ways to cheat ? (LOL)
HongHong62:
The second largest economy, poised on becoming the first, with infrastructure far more advanced than most of the West...China is doing something right, don't you agree?
Let's be fair - most Western students would be in put in remedial classes in science and maths in China.
http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2010/12/07/education/07education_graph.html?ref=education
PS did you just subtly confirm that you honestly believe said Tsinghua alumni are not well-educated?
sorrel:
unfortunately you can not say 'cheating aside' when talking about exam results in China. It is endemic. So this is not comparing like with like. Most foreign teachers here will have had to deal with this issue in some way while working in China.
“We want fairness. There is no fairness if you do not let us cheat.” Parent: Gaokao 2013.
I am not saying that students in any one university in China are any less educated, I am just questioning the value of a Degree or Masters from a country where cheating and plagiarism is acceptable, when compared to a Degree or Masters from a country where such cheating is dealt with in a severe manner.
You can get a very good education from any university in the world if you chose to work. Many very well educated people probably score badly in an exam because that way of measuring what they know doesn’t give the person the opportunity to demonstrate it. And there are people who perform well in exams, but can’t transfer the knowledge to the work-place.
HongHong62:
You've basically just reiterated what you previously said in the last two posts without directly commenting on anything I posted XD
This is endemic of Western education - sticking to your point, arguing with a lot with strongly-worded, emotionally-charged language, in the spite of hard evidence.
Chinese students in Shanghai scored the highest in all three subjects.
Being able to write a persuasive essay, but being unable to do anything beyond simple maths and science doesn't = intelligence. It just means you're opinionated.
sorrel:
So what you seem to be saying then is the Shanghai students, who operate in a system that allows cheating, score better than students that operate within a system that does not allow cheating. Of course Shanghai students score better if they are allowed to cheat when compared with students who don’t cheat. I’m not disagreeing with that.
As I said, you are not comparing like with like, especially as the results you refer to are from 2010.
Tell me why you think more Chinese parents want to send their child to a foreign country for their education?
http://www.echinacities.com/expat-corner/Education-Exodus-Why-are-Chinese-Students-Increasingly-Flocking-Abroad
ambivalentmace:
well if no one will say it, i will, im not impressed by any graduates at tsinghua university that i have met so far, cheating also occurs there and the salaries for english teachers are very poor compared to other provinces, so i would be skeptical of the final product if your not willing to pay a decent salary, and by the way chin ning yang was born in china, but he is an american, if i live in china for 50 years, married with children and win a nobel prize, i would never be called chinese, so much for enlightenment and cultural diversity.
sorrel:
I would not like to work as a foreign teacher in a university, no matter how famous as Tsingua university, if a senior staff member condoned rape because the woman worked in a KTV, whatever about the standards of education.
There are respectable MBA schools in Hong Kong. I would not personally bother with mainland schools at all. Even if you put in the effort to study hard and learn, very few people will recognize your achievements outside of China.
Nobody gives a damn about my Chinese degree. It was more of a personal development thing anyway, and I still go to school in the U.S.
Even the universities in China would expect a candidate for a position or its incumbents to have a degree from overseas. As such, nothing can be derived from getting a MBA degree from a Chinese university.
My understanding of the general view in China is that it's for privileged rich kids to make connections, and gold diggers to find someone that has or will inherit lots of money. Anyone that's familiar with China will not be impressed by a Chinese MBA but some will just see an MBA and go "Ooooooh".
Chinese degrees have little or no value on the international job market.
Hulk:
Or the domestic market in America. Nobody cares that I've studied in China.
Worth approximately as much as the paper it is printed on.
Might be handy if you find there is no toilet roll somewhere...
Even an Australian degree/diploma done at a Chinese university is treated with skepticism by Australian authorities now, simply because of the rampant cheating and corruption.
Over 500 small schools that were set up in Australia to take advantage of such cheating have been closed down now, and no awards issued. I believe it is similiar in other western countries. That is why China is now building Chinese universities in western countries.
I'm probably going to get some thumbs down for this but as someone who got a degree from a top tier university in China, I'd say it would be at least somewhat useful. There are concerns. First, its not the same as an MBA in a western country when going into the job market. As many people have stated above, many people will meet it with skepticism. Though its entirely possible that its better than some Western countries' MBA but this kind of bias will exist for a while internationally until China cleans up its image a bit.
However, like I said its certainly not entirely useless. Its very possible you could make some solid connections through it that could land you a nice job or get you some business ideas. Also, if you don't have the option of doing an MBA in a western country its a decent alternative. A Chinese MBA would look better than nothing on your resume.
F*CK!!!!!! Long post, just disappears right at the end... ;(
Ok, firstly, I've failed a number of students for being really bad at their subject, yet know the admin will pass them anyway.
Secondly, I've found the websites where students took all their stuff from - in some cases, word for word (or "But I moved some of the words around"...). They still passed (after I gave a zero) as the head teacher wasn't happy with failing students (who are going overseas to study - including wannabe post-grad students!!!)
Thirdly, as Sorrel quoted above, teachers help the students with their marks - including during the exams!!!
Fourthly, how about what the teachers expect from their students in order to get them their passing grade? I personally know a couple of students who had to bribe (yes, that's right, I said it - BRIBE!) their teacher after having to re-submit their final paper THREE TIMES before being allowed to pass. And these were my friends telling me about this... how about all the others???
So, what was the question again...???
Oh, as for the 'top-tier' universities.... the more corrupt you are, the higher you get. Therefore, the highest are the most corrupt! (ain't it funny how western universities aren't allowed to 'verify' PhD dissertations??)
Oh, and for the third post in a row 
I've looked over a couple of chapters of master's degree students here (ostensibly to 'fix' their English), and the 'referencing' is a joke!!! If I do that back home, it's an auto-fail!!!
Yes, it would have great value. It would save the employer the time and effort of bothering to interview you. After all, time is money in industry and commerce.
not worth it...
check the chinese job market for locals and you will see that they want a bachelor degree for a toilet cleaner.
Well, OP here..so what should I do in my situation then..
a Chinese MBA is really cheap..and seems to have very low standards when it comes to admissions..which explains why it's not worth much internationally. But my undergrad is not in business and I want to get into business/big companies in China or Asia...Any cheap and easy options for me?
sorrel:
maybe look into the possibility of an online course from a reputable university. that way you are not restricted to attending a particular place .
As far as I am concerned, if you want to hunt for a job in the international market, it's not a good choice. A degree of an abroad university may have an advantage in China job market as well. However, if you want to be engaged in the China-related business, it can be advantages as well even in International market.
These days a lot of success in landing jobs or getting your foot in the door depends on connections just about as much or maybe even more than anything else. In that sense its still not a bad idea to do the MBA if you are wanting to work in China or Asia as it should help you with that. If you want to work back in your home country then its different obviously. So for me it all really depends on where you want to work in the future.
