Did you see any of the School's ('applying for WP') paperwork? Maybe, School is not authorized to hire FT. Did School offered you another visa? (probably that 'offer' will come in the future).

It will be very difficult to find out, why Gov. didn't approve your WP, if true. 

It would be faster, to apply for new Z (WP) with different School, and if 'rejected again', reason must be somewhere else.

Could you name the School (Institute) in Qingdao, please?

"some 10 yrs ESL experience, mainly in China"

Was is "legal" then, if you are now seen as unfit to work in China ? Seems illogical.

Understand that Chinese administrations are as down-to-earth as it gets, you must get every checkbox on the book right or nothing can, and will be done. Now, maybe the officers can help you in understanding your problem, try to ask for more precisions.

For example, if your diploma from teacher's college is not seen by the government (what institution by the way, there must be three of four involved in the process of foreign employement in China) as a regular degree, there is nothing you will be able to do. They have lists and do not make exceptions. I hope this is not the case for you, but still you should consider that possibility.

I am confused by this as well. I am a first time ESL teacher, with experience tutoring students for 4 years, but never ESL teaching and I do hold a TESOL certificate and got issued a work permit fairly quickly with no questions asked. It may be because I was diligent in making sure that my paperwork was filled out correctly and to their standards (even changing the format in which I wrote the date on forms). It doesn't make any sense. I am going to have to agree with Icnif77..they school may not have been authorized to hire teachers or it could be another reason, related specifically to that school and not you. I would apply for another school as quickly as possible and see what happens. You should've have any problem getting employed with your qualifications.

To the OP, as others have suggested, you really have no idea if the school is telling you the truth or not.  Yes, indeed, your application may have been denied but it could have been on their end.

Additionally, that tells me that your prospective school does NOT know how to maintain proper working relations with the local PSB and the local FEB.

Move on and actually don't care about the status of all of the other foreigners in Qingdao.  Just worry about yourself and the pickle that you are in now.

I would say it's A few things.

1.you're over qualified for the school and they made sure you weren't hired. Crazy yes but possible.

2. the school did the paperwork the wrong way. Why well maybe on purpose or maybe by accident who knows.

3. maybe you did something to piss off to school or maybe you asked for a very high salary. Or maybe you showed some warning signs with behavior.

4.or you failed to prove that you have two years of teaching experience by not getting your paper work translated correctly with the reference letters you got from your previous job.

5. Q: where are you from?

Schools in China, authorized to hire FT; change 'Province' and 'keyword' for desired School's level:

http://www.anesl.com/schools/info.asp?province=Guangdong&keyword=Univers...

All that being the case, there's no reason you can't find a job teaching English to these poor bastards somewhere else.

Sorry.  Please retract 'poor bastards' and insert 'vibrant enthusiasts'.

Thanks.

FTR...I'm on my fourth year of 'residency' and my best qual is a diploma.

And I love teaching too.

Sometimes.

Carn the Tiges!

Another school....surely no problem.  Some schools are actually seeking a good teacher.

Peaceout.

Thanks for those replies. On reflection the woman that did my visa wasn't the smartest & also it was her 1st visa application!! Thankfully she has gone now.

However it still doesn't solve my problem!

Here's a better example, sometime ago I applied to Wall St for a job. After lengthy ph & face interview the Director said I would be a perfect fit for them & I was happy to work there. Basically a win - win situation, except, next day he called me to clarify my quals, no I didn't have a Degree, but a Diploma in Educ. He apologised profusely (&genuinely) cos they cannot issue me a work visa according to Chinese Law unless I had a Uni. Deg. therefore, so sorry, but we can't hire you!! This is a true story & I don't blame them for following the law.

I think the confusion & fustration comes about cos the govt will 'relax' the laws IF you work for their schools or Uni's, and there's a need for foreign teachers and quite readily issue work visas. However, if you work for a private org. they apply the letter of the  law fully! A good case in point, I worked for QD Uni for a year,there were 20 foreign teachers on staff, but only 2 of us had tertiary educ. but they managed to get all of us legitamate work visas. Go figure!!??

I don't mean to nitpick, and this could be just a language difference between Aussie and the States. 

"Now, I have an Advanced Diploma in Education from Advanced..."

That doesn't sound like an accredited Bachelors Degree to me.

I've helped students select schools, many non accredited schools (in the states, like I said before this could be a language mix up) use the term "diploma", "Post secondary .. Diploma" or even "Advanced Diploma". Even Accredited schools and prestigious schools like Harvard offer non-degree programs. Most call the paper you receive at the end Certificates. But there are many that calls theirs "Diplomas" . Many schools I looked at in Canada offer "Post grad. Diplomas" that do not require a BA/ BS, go figure.

Sooo, If I saw a paper that said Diploma and not BA/ BS in ..... , I would toss that application in the trash.

"I know in my city (Qingdao) that the majority of 'teachers' don't have a degree, the school/institute fakes a degree or has 'guanxi'. Now my mob did everything by the book (unfortunately!) & my application was rejected."

And this remark is just BS sour grapes. Very immature and says a lot about you. 

I know many students work as teachers, I know it sucks. But to insult the people who work here because they turned you down? Lose with dignity , accept rejection with class.  According to you they let riff raffs in, but you can't get in, what does that say about you? And what have you been involved with that you know that degrees are being faked? Students who are working do not need their degrees faked, they are working on student visas. (I do not support people breaking the law, but it is not my business)

Reading your post, maybe there was a reason.

And this remark is just BS sour grapes. Very immature and says a lot about you

.Hey 'Engdickhead' I resent your BS remark!! I was merely pointing out that its not worth doing the right thing here cos often u gonna lose, u might as well join the rest & cheat, cos it does make life easier!

I know many students work as teachers, I know it sucks. But to insult the people who work here because they turned you down? Lose with dignity , accept rejection with class.

Hey Dickhead ~ I didnt insult them, read carefully what I wrote. I said they got jobs without the correct quals, therefore they are cheats, I didnt say they were bad teachers!

Because...to work as a teacher & to gain a Work visa according to Chinese Law u NEED a DEGREE in any discipline (this law sucks & doesnt really make any sense ~ thats what I also was saying!!) I assume you're a Pom, cos...as a famous writer once said...."I've never met a race of people that can talk so long, about so little" You are a perfect example. Idiot

I think I'm beating a dead horse. But china is cracking down on illegal teachers. By your own admission , you are one of the illegal teachers. 

It is illegal to work in China without a degree. Even if you see others doing it, it is still illegal. You are trying to break the law. Just because others are getting away with it does not mean that you can. That is one of the most fundamental lessons we learn as children. I have one degree but that is the correct degree the only degree I need. And you can insult me all you want but I am legal

I have heard of many cases where a 2 year diploma is enough.  But it falls under various shady circumstances and also depends what job. So perhaps for a teacher you must have a full bachelors. I think one reason could be that the lady applied online. If your in a grey area of legality then the yes and no of online application isnt going to work.  Perhaps having them go down in person with the diploma and certificates would be more usefull. Worst case scenario is that you are limited from private training centers, and you have to go back to a Uni.

Good luck!

I have been told just few days back, that after new rules comes into validity, there is really no space for people without high aducation. people like me, as example.

Before, I was able to get my working permit, but now 200 companies I have send my CV, do not give a simple reply to me. there may be the reason, in education limits. Even I have perfectly suited for the company needs , they are not willing to hire me.

Seems my days in China are summed up ( finally ?! )  and have to go back. Have a new start. Have to deal with many sh1t, as " and who will care about my mama while we are not here" and  " You have promised to my parents, we will stay in China"  and so...  baby, everything may change in the life and this place is going to be a the hell for us soon. we do not want go thru hell, do we ?

teachers are special here. For other jobs you dont need a bachelor degree necessarily

Hey Crimochina you said this..."

 
 crimochina:

It is illegal to work in China without a degree. Even if you see others doing it, it is still illegal. You are trying to break the law. Just because others are getting away with it does not mean that you can. That is one of the most fundamental lessons we learn as children. I have one degree but that is the correct degree the only degree I need.

 So what you are saying is that all foreign ESL teachers in China, and I mean kindergarden, primary, high school & Uni (as I said before I worked for a uni here, only 2 of us had tertiary quals the other 18 didn't still ..visas were issued for ALL of us!!) all have a Bacheleor's Degree?? Is that right? You're dreaming mate. I'm not sure what country ur living in, but I am in China!! & can I ask you exactly what kind of academic (I assume) teaching do you do here?

Hey ~ I think some on this site may have misunderstood my initial question, and a few rather harsh critics have really shat on me!

My point all along has been (and I repeat..   ..ad nuseam) is that I have Diploma in Educ. i.e. I attended Teachers' College In Aust(3yrs) & hold a TESOL IV Cert in ESL, plus years of experience (I'm in my 50's ) & many checkable references (one from Abu Duabi Uni , UAE) but I can't get a fuckn work visa from this developing country??!! I know its not a DEGREE but I trained as a TEACHER, so WTF with that!!?? 

I have a thought.  But this might work only if you were being hired by a training school:

I was hired by a training school last summer.  I signed the contract.  When I got to the school and started doing all the paperwork, medical, and preparation I was told they could not renew my resident visa. The International school I applied to was part of 2 other middle schools.  They were going to pay me what amounted to 180,000 RMB over 10 months + airfare, bonus housing and all the other perks.  It was only the day before class.  My timetable said I had 6-45 minute classes per week with only 10 kids in each class.  There were 5 other foreign teachers in this department. Now you do the math.  My point is that they decided the profit wasn't there and I just happened to be in the line of sight.  I am in another school now.  NO problems with renewing the visa.

To Englteachted ~ YES I CAN

Donnie ~ do you have a Bacheleor Degree?

Guys I googled it...... a bunch of people heard diploma and not degree and jumped down his throat. in australia, in order to get a diploma of education you must already have a 4 year degree. if he has all he sais he has hes qualified to teach in australia ans most certainly in china.... perhaps our poster could have clarified when everyone started talking about u not having a bachelors

I know what he's talking about.  

He went to Teachers College.  In order to become a teacher, long long ago, that's what one had to do.  In more recent times, in order to be seen as a legitimate 'professional' occupation, teaching became a 'degree' course and could only be offered by a university.  This was something sought by the 'union left' in their pursuit of 'professional recognition'.  AKA...'Wank wank, money in the bank!"

Exactly the same thing happened to nursing in Australia at around about the same time...the 1980's.

It's an exercise in spanking the monkey(!!) and the jury is definitely out as to its value in producing better teachers and nurses.

Nevertheless, this chap went to Teachers College...he's a real teacher.  To be denied a working visa purely on the basis of not having a degree, any degree, is a retrograde stance to take by any thinking organisation. country.

dont you know already that you soon need a bachelor degree to clean the toilets?

china is kinda weird with bachelor degrees because it is very very easy to get one in china...

here are people who have a bachelor degree in english who cant even talk with me properly.

then are those assistants everywhere in the office working for 2k and all have a bachelor degree in something. my gf has no bachelor, only college degree and she was refused of employers because she has no bachelor degree. Then again she speaks good english and those with bachelor degree cant even speak good.

weird world, all idiots, stupid degrees. i learned like nothing for my real job in university not even in theory. milk the money hoho