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Q: Chinese ABC work Permit?

I saw my first ABC work permit today.. well actually it was a photo because the actual item was at the PSB for his RP application.

 

There seems to be nothing on any Chinese forums about this subject.  So I thought I would start a thread with a deliberate title so the Google bots can do their stuff.

 

The promised credit card style ID is actually a bit of thin paper encapsulated in a standard laminated envelope. It's bigger than a credit card, so you will need a bigger wallet/purse. I suspect any modifications with scissors will be a criminal offense, so a bigger wallet it has to be.

 

The A, B or C is at the top right corner. My mate had a B. It's pretty prominent.

 

The QR code, scanned via wechat, directs you to some sort of Rules page. It seems Generic, not card holder specific, and it is all in Chinese.  It has lots of photos of lovely Chinese scenery.  It does not seem to have the info the legislation said it will have.

 

But it's a start I suppose.

 

Some facts for you folks out there who can't find info.

 

My WP card has been approved, and the WP office issue a certificate to say you have been approved. After the certificate is issued, you need to submit your original documents to the labour office. It will take 5 to 10 days to issue the card.

 

Take the card to the PSB with the usual stuff to get your residence permit.

 

Here are some facts that I will share, because I have been at crush depth over this in the past few weeks.

 

The system is new, and the PSB is very understanding. I don't have my physical work permit yet ( Laminator problems I suspect, not enough pouches), but my RP ran out today. No problem, HR and wife (cos I don't trust HR), went to PSB yesterday and submitted my application for an RP without a WP. They accept it, and ask that you bring them your WP when issued. They had the document to say the WP had been granted.

 

They give you the magic PSB passport receipt. Once you have that, you are safe. And for info, It's not tourist visa etc, It's just a receipt. You can continue working.

 

PSB told my wife they will give me a three year work RP. Depends on job contract.

 

I do not have a degree. Non teaching job. I can confirm you do not need a degree for non teaching jobs under the new system. This was a major worry for me.

 

I did not have to do a new medical.

 

You do need to present your documents as if you were applying for your first Z. But after the online WP application. If they are in your home country... you need them here.

 

Chinese HR departments have no idea how the new system works. And there is very little on the web about it. Even in Chinese.

 

As for the other stuff such as criminal checks for teachers, I have no idea.

 

There is a total lack of information out there, so lets put some info here Smile

 

And make sure your temp residence registration is up to date. They are hot on this. I had to get a new one because the local cops made a spelling mistake.

 

Hope this info is of help Smile

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Update.

 

I got my WP today. Not actually in my hand. I got a fuzzy photo.

 

It's the proper credit card thing now. Looks cool. Has an 18 digit Chinese ID number on it. The number is based on your date of birth.

 

I got a C grade.

 

One year.

 

Strange thing is, it has a start date but no end date. You need to scan the QR to get that.

 

Just for the record, so you folk know.

 

My history is Z, first work permit 1 year, first RP 3 years. Second work permit 2 year, third work permit 2 years, second RP 2 years.

 

That takes me to 5 years through the combinations.

 

No degree.

 

Health check with initial RP application 5 years ago. No health check and no criminal check for this new system. Engineer. Teachers might be different.

 

No mention of the 5 year rule and have to leave, no mention of the consecutive work permits that give you a 5 year RP.

 

It seems to me that they have just abolished the work permit labour department and given it to SAFEA. SAFEA are qualification mad, it's the only thing they see.

 

They don't tell you how many points you get

 

They don't tell you the scoring system. But wait for more info on that. I am setting the wife loose on SAFEA tomorrow, so hope to have more info soon.

 

The main thing is, it is possible to work here without a degree. But the Chinese Government classify you as a toilet cleaner. No matter how big your budget, no matter how many patents you have.... no degree = toilet cleaner.

 

But to be honest, I need time to clarify this. I am not sure if the real root cause is lazy HR or difficult Government.

 

So bear with me. I need to set my wife loose to try get some real facts indecision

 

 

 

 

ironman510:

Great Job man. Wonder if they will offer C class to good teachers that have experience with no degrees. That would help them.

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Bump. Sort of.

 

Forgot to say.

 

The license to employ foreigners needs to be updated. This will take 5 to 10 days. So you need to get onto your HR departments to get this done before you start to apply for renewals. If your work permit is due for renewal in August, I suggest you start badgering your HR tomorrow

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I know the stress and frustration Scots has been through recently as we're in a small Wechat group with a few other ECC users. From seeing what's happened I'd fully agree to get your WP renewal started early this year!

 

Mine is up for renewal in September & I'm like Scots. My highest qualification is a HNC in Engineering. I manage a small sourcing WFOE. 

 

I've scored myself on the new system & I'm a B but only just. 

 

The company lawyer, whose business is setting up WFOE's fortuitously contacted me yestetday to start my renewal process. I was going to email him this week after seeing what Alan went through.

 

He's going to renew mine under the new system. 

 

This is what I've been asked for the first step (electronic submission):

1) Scans of qualifications 

2) Scans of passport ID page & current RP

3) Electronic passport style photo with white background, head taking up 2/3rds of photo 

4) Scans of current WP

I also sent him my resume in Chinese & a new 5-year labor contract. We're going to push for as long as possible WP. 

 

He's not mentioned anything about a criminal records check (yet). I've been in Guangzhou 7 years now so don't know if I'll need one. 

 

He's told me he'll want the original certificates in about 1 month. 

 

I'll update here here when I know more...

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I was informed by a few schools, the new system is not fully operational in most areas of China. As of June 15 2017 this is when they feel its fully running and being used China wide.

1. I was told if in China, the criminal record check can be done in the area you are now. This means the local Chinese police station. no idea how that would work.

2. All degrees will be required to be authenticated IN YOUR HOME country. (the word authentication is wrong, what it really is, notrize the copy of degree, then your local area government will verify the lawyers are in good standing, then the Chinese consulate will stamp the copy, you are now good to go)

For Canadians, i found a company in Vancouver that does this, 1700rmb as they have a Chinese bank, this included shipping back to you in China.

ironman510:

Just the add, if your degree is not from your home country like mine, then you need to go back to the country of where your degree came from.

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Concerning a Chinese criminal background check, I decided to get one. Went to the PSB where one submits their passport to get the Residence Permit. Directed to an officer and submitted by passport. He wrote out a form, gave it to me and sent me to a police station.

 

Got to the police station and after having to run home close by to get my pictures (always have pictures on you when doing this) the policeman asked me some general questions, got my picture and whatnot and about fifteen minutes later got a piece of paper with two chops which more or less stated I have not committed crimes in China since 2001. Absolutely free. Same day. Nearly painless procedure.

 

 

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Great job Scot. Well detailed and useful info. Thank you. The ABC I guess it comes down to the professional classification China came up with since  April this year, is that right? 

 

 

Hotwater:

That's right. He's referring to our new grading system. 

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Thank you hotwater, for the confirmation. Isn't that kind of weird. Well, let's hope it is for a greater outcome, whatever that it be and to whom that it might be. I wish it would benefit us all. 

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Yeah Thanks a lot Scots, you are the man! Shenzhen WP cards start on Oct 1st 2017

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Update for you all.

 

My RP finished yesterday, so my legality in China is based upon my PSB passport receipt. My work permit has not been issued. Tomorrow is the tenth day. HR shrug their shoulders.

 

I am at crush depth plus 1mm.

 

This morning I asked HR about the online WP application system. Can you do it from your computer, or does it have to be a Govenment computer... Dont know.

 

Me to HR... look at this photo of the new flimsey work permit.. look at top right... A B or C. Do you understand?

 

HR to me... " It does not matter.. we will buy you lunch"

 

So here is the situation. The WP people say they have approved my WP, they examined my scanned documents, said yes, I submitted my genuine documents.... then nothing. They said 5 days, tomorrow is the 10th day. No mention of my grade.

 

My RP expired yesterday. But they accepted my WP yes letter to apply and put on hold.

 

HR just shrug their shoulders when I ask them for info about the system... you don't need to know.

 

And here is where it gets even more stupid. When I had to reapply for the WP, I thought to myself I need to organise. I dont have a degree, but I do have commercialised patents with the company I work for. Six of them. I printed them out, got the comapny chop on them, and asked sales to put money numbers on them.

 

HR did not submit them. The agent said not required.

 

The stupidity is beyond the pale.

 

You guys and gals need to get your HR onto this now.

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Scots, what about the Computer test or Chinese laungage test, and how many years you've been here, your age and all those things, can you tell us more about that? On your note: Sounds like the PSB being the PSB during a busy time, I'm sure your resident permit will be in your passport soon, the PSB only cares about the approval from the FEC (WP). They are slow sometimes. 

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Seems to me it's pretty random like before. Some people, mostly newcomers, need to provide notarization, while others don't, some people don't even need to provide originals at all.

 

What a complete mess.

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Hows about... next time, prepare to leave for some other country (or even job).

 

When they ask for your documents, say "Yah, don't worry about it" or whatever.

 

When they ask again, tell them "It's fine... I've already sent them".

 

Use ALL the same BS responses they've given you... until right at the last second - tell them you're leaving!

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What computer test @ Ironman?

 

fir Chinese language the points are only awarded based on HSK certificates 

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@hotwater, we were told the whole sh~bang would be done on the computer, meaning the Chinese level testing and a few other things, than those results would be sucked into a laminated card. So computer test I meant all the test that would be on the Computer.

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@ Irons....all the grading scores I've read online have referred to getting points for HSK levels 1-6 by means of having passed those exams. It seemed a sensible way to do it...especially as Chinese are supposed to get scores in various foreign English level tests.

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i guess it is different in each city and the documents that you need will greatly vary...

I just got my RP under the old system because apparently they dont want to do the new system yet in Shanghai.

But yea I also start to worry then next year. I only have an equivalent of a bachelors but it is not a bachelor degree so I guess they don't even know what I have and it lets their heads explode.

Well good thing is, if I wouldnt get a new one, it would be a good excuse to leave Smile

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it doesnt matter, the authentication is not verifying its a real degree or fake even.

Its as ive stated on other threads.

1. notarize its a true copy.

2. government checks the notary and makes sure he is valid, nothing to do with the degree.

3. Chinese side verifies the seal of the government,

4. Your legal now

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And you gotta add the Chinese Embassy adds a sticker to the back of the notarized document

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I am trying to find out if the initial online work permit application can be done from any computer, or does it have to be done from a computer in the SAFEA/Labour office

 

I have asked HR.. Dont know.

 

I will keep pushing. Will let you know when I find out.

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Update.

 

I got my WP today. Not actually in my hand. I got a fuzzy photo.

 

It's the proper credit card thing now. Looks cool. Has an 18 digit Chinese ID number on it. The number is based on your date of birth.

 

I got a C grade.

 

One year.

 

Strange thing is, it has a start date but no end date. You need to scan the QR to get that.

 

Just for the record, so you folk know.

 

My history is Z, first work permit 1 year, first RP 3 years. Second work permit 2 year, third work permit 2 years, second RP 2 years.

 

That takes me to 5 years through the combinations.

 

No degree.

 

Health check with initial RP application 5 years ago. No health check and no criminal check for this new system. Engineer. Teachers might be different.

 

No mention of the 5 year rule and have to leave, no mention of the consecutive work permits that give you a 5 year RP.

 

It seems to me that they have just abolished the work permit labour department and given it to SAFEA. SAFEA are qualification mad, it's the only thing they see.

 

They don't tell you how many points you get

 

They don't tell you the scoring system. But wait for more info on that. I am setting the wife loose on SAFEA tomorrow, so hope to have more info soon.

 

The main thing is, it is possible to work here without a degree. But the Chinese Government classify you as a toilet cleaner. No matter how big your budget, no matter how many patents you have.... no degree = toilet cleaner.

 

But to be honest, I need time to clarify this. I am not sure if the real root cause is lazy HR or difficult Government.

 

So bear with me. I need to set my wife loose to try get some real facts indecision

 

 

 

 

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Great Job man. Wonder if they will offer C class to good teachers that have experience with no degrees. That would help them.

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In regards to the no criminal record check, was told i didnt need it as im in China.

But, trying to prepare for the in case.

Does anyone know if we can use the many websites that provide these services or does it need to be done from the real police station in our countries?

The online site i was thinking to use says theirs can be authenticated, but im not sure how true this would be. Their sites wouldnt have the RCMP logo on it nor the person in charge.

thoughts anyone? trying to hope for the easiest way and preparing for the hardest way.

 

icnif77:

I use one from my city cops I got in 2013. Everybody is happy with it, despite Non-criminal cert. shouldn't be older than 6-months  same as ME cert. IMO.

I don't know any of the web sites for Non-crim. cert., 'cause my Bj Embassy told me either 'we can get it for you' or 'you can get it in person'.

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If youve been working in China over a yeark, you can get it here in China, no need to do it back home.

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Update for you all.

 

I physically have my grade C work permit card. It's a proper credit card thing. The Chinese text on it seems to be Government speak: I asked my colleagues to translate it and they gave up. The language seems to be Government specific. I managed to get one translation after someone used their Chinese dictionary... It's basically SAFEA.

 

On the front of the card, it says " Ministry of Human Resources and Social Security". And below that, it says "State Administration of Foreign expert Affairs"

 

Here is the strange thing. My mate who does not have a degree, we are same age, same era, 30 years experience, factory rats, He got a B. According to the agent my company used.. No degree=C. We have identical qualifications, but in different trades.

 

But he got a copy looking laminated thing. He is traveling tomorrow on a supplier visit, his passport is in the PSB. He only has his fake looking work permit and his PSB receipt to travel on.

 

We agreed on an experiment. He will try to travel on his laminated NEW work permit.

 

Another thing to mention.

 

I scanned the QR card on my phone phone with wechat. Almost everything is there. Passport number, photo, employer, address,

 

But when we scanned my mates laminated work permit, it delivered a Chinese tourism website.

 

I will keep you folk updated.

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To add... your ID number is based on your date of birth. We seem to get an 18 digit number, Chinese are 18+1.

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And also to add, the lack of information about this on the web is shocking.

 

So please contribute to this thread with your own experience.

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An interesting point. Yesterday I only had a photo of the new work permit, but I happened to see the local population Police. I asked them if they knew what it was. They did not know, and said they would phone my wife to ask. They did phone her, and now they know.

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A: That would be an awful experience. I would call your embassy asap
A:That would be an awful experience. I would call your embassy asap, they might be able to suggest something or give you a temporary replacement or something. I'm sure they would have seen this before.You may also need something from the PSB to say that you still have a valid visa in order to leave the country. Do you at least have a copy of your visa and passport front page, or can you get one?  If you have been working here your employer would probably have copies. In the mean time, turn the place upside down trying to find your passport.Good luck mate.   -- Stiggs