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Q: What would "revolution" actually look like?

What form would it take?

Who would experience changes in status, wealth, or power? \

What would incite it?

What would precede it?

What would be the international effects? 

Could you compare it with any other revolution? 

 

I ask because someone mentioned the guillotine, and that got me thinking about the disastrous French Revolution.

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Don't know, but I'm sure it would be very ugly, put China back about a hundred years and would involve a lot of 'getting revenge' on abusive bosses and the neighbors who had a better house, job and car than you do, so made you jealous. Red guard style.

 

It's not something I'd want to see happen here.

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Don't know, but I'm sure it would be very ugly, put China back about a hundred years and would involve a lot of 'getting revenge' on abusive bosses and the neighbors who had a better house, job and car than you do, so made you jealous. Red guard style.

 

It's not something I'd want to see happen here.

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China loses it's manufacturing jobs to cheaper south Asian competitors

 

China can no longer afford to continue building ghost malls and apartments, construction workers go unemployed as well.

 

A large mass of uneducated, unemployed Chinese are left with no other options, and they decide to move to the big cities. This disrupts the relative stability in those cities, drives housing prices even higher, and people are still unemployed.  In my scenario, China has moved past the export economy model too fast to educate it's population and switch to services. While the lower class is outraged, Xinjiang, Tibet, HK, Mongolia and TW stoke the fire. Then chaos ensues.

 

I don't actually think this will happen, but I think it is the most likely path to revolution. Still wildly unlikely tho, the coffers are deep at the CCP and they'll subsidize the hell out of manufacturing for at least a generation.

Sinobear:

I agree with your point except that it's not the poor moving into the cities that drive prices up. It's the fat cats buying everything in sight and not renting, but ransoming those properties.

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"All hail, the King is dead!"

 

And how exactly was the French Revolution disastrous, and for whom? The effects of the revolution rippled throughout Europe and beyond and I definitely think that its success must be looked at in this context: the long term implications that had arisen as a result of the French Revolution.

wolfhighmist:

Oh sure, it started with the peasants beheading royalty. But then everyone went mad and began suspecting each other of being anti-democracy, leading to lots of senseless bloodshed, conspiracy theories, paranoia, and anarchy. Whatever its long-term benefits, the revolution itself was a disaster in terms of human life and human decency.

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The same thing that happens with every revolution. Those at the top will be replaced by a new ruling "elite". They will ruthlessly destroy any threat to their new found power. Like mentioned above their will be "payback" to those who "wronged" people by just being more successful. Basically after 50 years China would be the same as post revolution.

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I mentioned the guillotine here on your other post:

 

http://answers.echinacities.com/question/help-student-screams-when-speak...

 

it was just a joke...chill. IMHO, dont get too into "revolution" type of stuff while in China. Not a good idea. Cheers.

 

 

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If there was a real revolution, it would have happened in 1989.

Yangisy Mainlanders don't have the scruples, patience or trust(worthiness) to sustain such a movement. People can be bought off easily.

A real "revolution" in China would be akin to bankruptcy, where bribes could no longer be paid. Then everyone would turn on eachother like rabid beasts. Some already do.

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Look at HongKong... see how the democracy movement has fizzled out (physically).

 

Just wait til the 'elections, and you'll see everyone get all antsy again, but by then it will be too late!

 

(unless the January elections in the island to the east stirs things up a bit, and the DPP get in power! That could make for some interesting posts - that will quickly be harmonised, and all news concerning will be blocked Tongue)

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I assume you are talking about the Chinese revolution rather than the French, American, Cuban....blah blah blah.

 

Let me figure this out. You are a new poster, you start with a question covering the small of weed. You claim to teach the kids of the powerful, then the admit you don't know how to control them.

 

What does revolution look like?

 

Start with France. They had a fantastic revolution, followed by a couple of guys who wanted to be an Emperor. That failed, so they created the third republic, and as a result France is now a beacon of socialism.

 

How about the Chinese revolution? It's still ongoing. The continual revolution is Maoist thought of course. And although Maoism is mostly discredited, the Revolution is actually ongoing.

 

I will probably set a record for the number of downvotes here. But hey, here we go.

 

The Revolution is not finished, because the world is not ready for socialism. Capitalism will collapse. It did in 2008.  Western Governments bailed the banks out to keep the system alive. They borrowed from China.

 

The UK is now depending on China to build it's new infrastructure. It considers China as a private investor. The UK pm bent over backwards for Chinese investment.

 

Here comes my big down vote point.  It's just an opinion. But it's something to consider.

 

I don't see Xi Jinping and the Plitburo as a bunch of corrupt self serving dictators . I see them as the Guardians of the revolution. They are part of the plan.Not Maos plan. The Deng Xiaopin plan. The plan he formulated with Zhou Enlai and the other true socialists who were purged from the Lushan conference.

 

Mao messed up.  He went for Communism. The best way forward is democratic socialism..Not the democratic dictatorship that Mao wanted. Mao and his ego killed tens of millions. Chinese characteristics  cost millions of lives.

 

But the true revolution continues.  It might take a thousand years, but it will get there.

 

And then a meteorite will strike, and it will all have been a waste of time anyway.

 

Long live the revolution I say.

 

( Incidently, the American Christian right wing demand the preservation of the second amendment to protect them from tyranny of Government. They demand the right to armed revolt if the federal Government should try to take their guns away. Common sense says the nutters should have their guns taken from them to preserve life.  The second amendment. A result of revolution. "hey, my great great great grand daddy fought with his flintlock for me to have the right to carry an AR15 down the street.)

 

REVOLUTION.

 

The next one will be in America apparently.

 

 

 

 

 

 

philbravery:

Execpt for the last bit about the USA  I agree with you

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Phil, is that really what you teach your son and daughter???

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Interesting question - who will have the next revolution? China or USA?

 

I doubt Russia is likely to..

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When i say last part im mean the usa will have a revolution As for what i teach my kids i tell them to look after their mates and speak out when they see something wrong

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Blood, blood, lots of blood.  And corpses.  And explosions.  And murder.  

 

It probably won't happen, but there is always hope.

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Interesting.

ScotsAlan:

What did you expect ? I knew my answer would be flamed. And it was. But if I had posted " Death to all Muslims"... Maybe I would get 20 up votes. If I had posted " lets talk and get on with being friends"... Maybe 5 upvotes , 15 down votes. Revolutions are good. It renews. Populist politics is the nasty side. The blame game etc.

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there are may forms of revolutions

some good (industrial) and non violent and are usaly go un noticed till competed  but the ones full of death and distuction are there for all to see

Look at the Arab spring, the negitive fall out continues

I would say in China that the revolution is now evolving into the next stage or in many cases

back to what was there before it began

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What is the differance between a Revolution and a civil war ?

 

 

Shining_brow:

"What is the differance between a Revolution and a civil war ?"

 

Who wins, and what sort of gove...rulership... they have afterwards.

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Have you heard of the the "Hundred Flowers Campaign" when Mao promotes free speech and urges people to speak freely of their grievances with the party and policies (mostly agricultural) without fear of punishment during the Great Leap Forward?

He then rounded them all up, publicly shamed them and then had most of them executed and jailed the rest.

Beware of wolves in sheep clothing fishing for answers.

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Sorry, meant to up thumb.

using ******* iPad 

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I'm curious how this post was never harmonized...could it be a high ranking WuMao fishing for answers?

Keep your friends close and your enemies closer,,,,,,

My fellow expats...this poster works for the CCP.

ScotsAlan:

I agree.

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